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 Posted:   Sep 8, 2019 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Even Cyclone was a great if brief detour that somehow led to the creation of Force Majeure, one of Edgar's brightest moments as TD's composer-in-chief (until the arrival of Johannes).


It's good to see someone else besides me has some nice words for "Cyclone".
I thought it was a good record at the time and now I think it's better because the world seems to have caught up with it.
When you hear something like "Endless Runner" today, it sounds not unlike anything you'd hear from various new wave groups 3 or 4 years later.
"Madrigal Meridian" is obviously the one that sounds the most "traditionally" TD and the drums propel it forward nicely--and the violin coda makes for a welcome departure from the established norms.
It's not the first disc I reach for, but putting it on once in a while is a fine departure.
As far as I know, Froese more or less "disowned" it right up to the end and that's just sad.
Artists are so frequently the worst assessors of their own work.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2019 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Even Cyclone was a great if brief detour that somehow led to the creation of Force Majeure, one of Edgar's brightest moments as TD's composer-in-chief (until the arrival of Johannes).


It's good to see someone else besides me has some nice words for "Cyclone".
I thought it was a good record at the time and now I think it's better because the world seems to have caught up with it.
When you hear something like "Endless Runner" today, it sounds not unlike anything you'd hear from various new wave groups 3 or 4 years later.
"Madrigal Meridian" is obviously the one that sounds the most "traditionally" TD and the drums propel it forward nicely--and the violin coda makes for a welcome departure from the established norms.
It's not the first disc I reach for, but putting it on once in a while is a fine departure.
As far as I know, Froese more or less "disowned" it right up to the end and that's just sad.
Artists are so frequently the worst assessors of their own work.


I don't think it was the only album Edgar disowned. I know he didn't like it when interviewers would bug him with questions concerning TD's sound moving in completely different directions, i.e. away from their classics. He got those questions about the early/mid-late '70s, and then the '80s. Progression, evolution, whatever you want to call it, is going to happen (unless your band is named AC/DC). I don't think TD went off the rails until Edgar let Jerome drive the choo choo.

When it comes to Cyclone, "Bent Cold Sidewalk" is a tune I really like to crank. It's cool to hear TD go full prog rock. Sans Jolliffe's woodwinds, it sounds like Eloy.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2019 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Octoberman rolling his eyes is really not something I could care about, but I'll try to explain a bit about my TD-preferences:

I heard TD for the first time as a 16 year old in 1991, the song was Streethawk from 1985, as heard on The Best Of TD compilation CD. I immediately had found my new favourite group, beating Hans Zimmer who had been my number 1 for a year or two. I enjoyed most of the other tracks on the best of CD too, but not Astral Voyager from 1973's Green Desert. That one was too simplistic and monotonous, and I quickly understood that I would prefer the more melodic stuff over the early, more experimental material.

I continued to explore TD, both the stuff from the 90s and the 80s material. The times that I delved into the 70s, I usually came back rather quickly to newer material. That's not to say that I don't like their 70s output at all. What I have heard of the 70-73 stuff is quite unlistenable to me, the 74-75 material starts to get a little better, but the oldest TD track that I like is the title track from Stratosfear, but as I said, I have not heard the full album. I have not heard Encore or Sorcerer, but I really hate Cyclone and don't have it in my collection anymore. So, the oldest I have is Force Majeure.

So, chances are high that I will buy more 70s TD albums if I find them cheap in my local shop, but I don't think I will actively seek them out and order them online. And buying an expensive box-set like In Search Of Hades from an era which I am not that much into, is, as I have said earlier, out of the question.

Politically incorrect or not.


Check the prices on the 2019 remasters on Amazon. They're inexpensive and they've got (most of) the associated bonus material connected to each album. Snap up Stratosfear and Encore, at the very least!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2019 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I've been doing some more reading and I see that the set was remastered by Ben Wiseman, the same fellow who remastered the early albums for Esoteric a few years ago.
The Esoterics had very nice sound and even though there were occasional instances of clipping in the audio, it was no more than what was present on the 1996 Sequel remasters for those same albums.
(Clearly, I geek out way to much on these sorts of details.)

At any rate, if the sound quality on this box is as nice as I think it is, I will have no choice but to join you chaps who have bought this set.
big grin

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

I've been doing some more reading and I see that the set was remastered by Ben Wiseman, the same fellow who remastered the early albums for Esoteric a few years ago.
The Esoterics had very nice sound and even though there were occasional instances of clipping in the audio, it was no more than what was present on the 1996 Sequel remasters for those same albums.
(Clearly, I geek out way to much on these sorts of details.)

At any rate, if the sound quality on this box is as nice as I think it is, I will have no choice but to join you chaps who have bought this set.
big grin


For me, it's more about the remixing than the remastering.

But the biggest plus is the bonus material.

Esoteric also remastered and reissued Peter Baumann's Romance '76 and Transharmonic Nights. Did you get those?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2019 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

For me, it's more about the remixing than the remastering.
But the biggest plus is the bonus material.
Esoteric also remastered and reissued Peter Baumann's Romance '76 and Transharmonic Nights. Did you get those?



No, regrettably the only solo stuff I kept up with was some of the individual originals of Froese, then his Virgin Years set, and one stray compilation of Schmoelling.
I only had so much cash to throw around.
I even pretty much stopped trying to keep up with the TD flood by "The Tyranny Of Beauty", except for a couple of comps.
I just couldn't keep up!
Esoteric has had a fine lineup of reissues to their credit, though.
I enjoyed getting a bunch of their Bill Nelson reissues.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2019 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

You can get those remasters and Peter's new-ish album Machines of Desire each for roughly $15, shipped, via Clamazon.

The old CD issues were OOP for 30 years and went for ridiculous amounts of money.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I don't think TD went off the rails until Edgar let Jerome drive the choo choo.

Have you heard the Quantum Gate album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-UfWJDQWI

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I've been taking a closer look at the track listings and I was delighted to see Froese's "Baryll Blue".
Finally on CD!
I love that track.

Apparently the CD's are being sold separately.
I'm going to buy one and give it a good once-over.
If there is no clipping and the sound is superior to the previous Virgin boxes, then I guess it just makes sense to dive into the new box.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

I don't think TD went off the rails until Edgar let Jerome drive the choo choo.

Have you heard the Quantum Gate album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-UfWJDQWI


Jerome has nothing to do with that album.

The new stuff is alright, but they shouldn't call it Tangerine Dream without Edgar.

I like Quaeschning's & Schnauss' Synthwaves.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

I've been taking a closer look at the track listings and I was delighted to see Froese's "Baryll Blue".
Finally on CD!
I love that track.


Apparently the CD's are being sold separately.
I'm going to buy one and give it a good once-over.
If there is no clipping and the sound is superior to the previous Virgin boxes, then I guess it just makes sense to dive into the new box.


Same here. I'd love an album's worth of music from him in that vein, i.e. acoustic guitar paired with synths/electronics.

 
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