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 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I'm sitting here, listening to First Blood... what an INCRREDIBLE AND GROUND-BREAKING score this is! It got me thinking.. was this on that so-called oscar "short list" for nomination? Also, how many times was a Goldsmith score ON that "short list" I would imagine that every year he was on that list.

YAVAR?!?!?! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Alright Moradi! I saw you just posted something! Give me an answer! big grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Scott Bettancourt would be the person to ask, I think.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Scott Bettancourt would be the person to ask, I think.

Yavar


Why I oughta.......big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I think his nomination for S*P*Y*S was discarded because he would have had to share the award with John Scott.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I remember that back then I was VERY disappointed when FIRST BLOOD was NOT nominated for an Academy Award. That is a great score, top drawer Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

In my opinion one can not assign a best score to a movie without the movie giving something back. Nominations for best score are not for the music as it stands alone on expanded complete re-issue #4 cds with re-re-re-mastered sound, but how it works with the picture. A score may be great music, but if the movie is a dog then how can it be a best score? Now, there have been really good scores for mediocre films where the film possessed some memorable scenes, visuals, and so on, and the music enhanced or added to that. An example of the difference, for me, can best be illustrated in two James Bond pictures directed by Lewis Gilbert and scored by John Barry. In Moonraker Barry wrote cues for the space pieces; they were unique, imaginative, and among the best of his Bond work. I would never suggest that Moonraker get an oscar nomination because the movie is so bland and offers nothing fresh or exciting. On the other hand, You Only Live Twice, despite being pretty ridiculous on so many levels has great Freddie Young cinematography, with rooftop fights, mountains and volcanoes, space capsule kidnappings, and a very moving Japanese wedding--all scored with great flair by John Barry. That one I'd nominate.

So where does Rambo First Blood fit into this?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Not sure where I saw it, but there was a short list of nominated Goldsmith scores online somewhere. I remember MAGIC and DAMIEN were each on the 1978 list in addition to THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL, of course.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

In my opinion one can not assign a best score to a movie without the movie giving something back. Nominations for best score are not for the music as it stands alone on expanded complete re-issue #4 cds with re-re-re-mastered sound, but how it works with the picture. A score may be great music, but if the movie is a dog then how can it be a best score?


Well then why are there so many Academy Promo CDs with complete scores made directly from master tapes?


You're not completely wrong, but- for instance- Morgan Freeman broke out as an A-list actor in a fairly OK crime thriller called 'Street Smart'. That movie is known for almost no other reason than Freeman's Oscar nomination.
Freeman gave it his all and generally rose above the material and the movie itself.

Any artist is capable of the same when stuck in otherwise lackluster material.
Goldsmith got an Oscar nom for ST-TMP, a superior score (coaxed out of him by Robert Wise) to a movie nobody thought that much of at the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

I'm sitting here, listening to First Blood... what an INCRREDIBLE AND GROUND-BREAKING score this is! It got me thinking.. was this on that so-called oscar "short list" for nomination? Also, how many times was a Goldsmith score ON that "short list" I would imagine that every year he was on that list.

YAVAR?!?!?! big grin



Let me say..I could be wrong..but the “Short List” was only done...Twice? I’m sure someone will correct me.

And I contacted The Oscars for the answer..hopefully they will hit me back.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

"So where does Rambo First Blood fit into this?"

NOwhere! I'm talking about FIRST BLOOD!big grinbig grinbig grinbig grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2019 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

Not sure where I saw it, but there was a short list of nominated Goldsmith scores online somewhere. I remember MAGIC and DAMIEN were each on the 1978 list in addition to THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL, of course.

I remember that list. Escape from the Planet of the Apes and Psycho II were also short list items for their respective years, among many others.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2019 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

In my opinion one can not assign a best score to a movie without the movie giving something back. Nominations for best score are not for the music as it stands alone on expanded complete re-issue #4 cds with re-re-re-mastered sound, but how it works with the picture.

For sure, but FIRST BLOOD was a critical and commercial success too, and the score works great in the movie. In fact, the music that was in the movie was also the music that's heard on the various soundtrack releases. Even the LP had little music missing from the movie, and the music in the picture was pretty much used as intended. No reason FIRST BLOOD should not have gotten a nomination.

 
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