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A very cool film. Imperfect, but very cool nonetheless. TD's score probably falls into my Top 20 unreleased grails, and am I mistaken or has The Keep never even been released on DVD or Blu-Ray??
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Apr 4, 2015 - 6:49 AM
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LeHah
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The film was taken from Mann and had a substantial amount hacked out of it - something along the lines of 30 to 45 minutes - by the studio and then released without much fanfare and bombed in theaters. Mann (as well as the author of the book) have disowned it and, yes, supposedly, Mann is blocking it's release though it's been on Netflix Streaming more than once.
The score was the last work TD did with Mann after a falling out (no details on that, but Mann isn't known to be gentle with his music editing, either) and TD has blocked a release, though an VERY limited album (500 copies?) was released while they were on tour in the 90s, though most of the music on that disc isn't in the film it's self. If you want the score, the best youre going to get is the LOGOS album, which has a rather lengthy suite in the middle.
There is a Keep documentary coming out at some point, they regularly update on Facebook and have been interviewing cast and crew for a while now. They were also the ones who broke the story that actress Alberta Watson died last week.
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Apr 4, 2015 - 1:48 PM
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MikeP
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As Lehah said, there was a falling out to some degree between TD and Mann, but there are no hard details on it. Although Mann is notorious for slicing and dicing scores for his films, it seems TD's music ( overall ) was used as intended in the film. With that in mind there are reports but no quotes stating firmly that TD was upset with Mann's used of the score.
According to Howard Blake, TD was enamored of "Walking In The Air" from The Snowman and were all for using it at the climax.
The opening titles are a re-working of Eno's "Mea Culpa", probably at Mann's request, but it stands out as one of the best cues in the film. Oddly, Eno/Fripp get no screen credit but Blake does. To me that seems to be one of the main issues holding up the score.
And yep, the LOGOS album features a fair amount of score, both the silver crosses music on part 1, and at the beginning of side 2 there is more score music.
TD's own CD version of The Keep only has 2 or 3 actual score tracks, so, it isn't really a representation of the score at all. The two best sources are the Tangerine Tree Vol 54 version, and the "Keep Cues" disc which looks to be just a rip of some of the old laser disc isolated music and effects track.
Back in 2011 when BSX released their version of The Thing, I suggested they look into The Keep's score. Mike J said it was a "dream project" , so, here's hoping something comes to pass.
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Apr 4, 2015 - 2:19 PM
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MikeP
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The opening titles are a re-working of Eno's "Mea Culpa", probably at Mann's request, but it stands out as one of the best cues in the film. Oddly, Eno/Fripp get no screen credit but Blake does. To me that seems to be one of the main issues holding up the score.
That "Mea Culpa" piece that opens the film is by Brian Eno and David Byrne, not Eno with Robert Fripp.
I have both the Tangerine Tree release as well as some bootleg I stumbled across almost a decade ago. But if BSX did a re-recording of this I would lose my mind in excitement.
Yep, Byrne, not Fripp, had a brain fade 
The other unmentionables , like the Blue Moon, aren't bad. But yes, if BSX does indeed do something here as they did with The Thing or Assault On Precinct 13, I'd be all over it.
Or, and I hate to say it, but with Froese's passing, maybe the major stumbling block has been removed ?
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Apparently, some LP's surfaced on the Virgin label when the film was released in 1983, but were called back by Virgin Records and Paramount after a week or two.
Reasons being the film tanked enormously, and only 3 to 4 tracks from the score were on the LP.
Since most of the music had already been released in one form or the other (Logos, Rubycon, Froese's Kamikaze 1989), TD opted to put new music on the album, not related to the movie.
The cover of that album is rumoured to be the same as the one they later used for the Widescreen laserdisc.
The opening titles are indeed a TD version of the Eno/Byrne track Mea Culpa from their 'My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts' album.
An interesting, yet flawed film, highly truncated when edited.
Michael Mann disownes the film, even doesn't want to talk about it in interviews.
The documentary that's coming out this year or next, will hopefully shed more light on the film, and maybe the music, since the documentary-makers also interviewed Edgar Froese and Johannes Schmoelling.
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Great TD score. I remember seeing the movie on TV Norge (TV Norway) in the late 90s. I even recorded it. I used to play that ending part time and time again. I also remember that the end credits had no music! Anyone else who noticed this??
Sad to hear about Alberta Watson's passing, only 60 years old. She also starred in The Soldier in 82, so she was involved in two TD-films in a year...
Mann and TD may have had a falling out, but Mann had nothing but praise to say about Edgar Froese after his passing.
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A film crying out for a little re-working...and then placed back into film houses. The score is out there, found it in a most interesting place...
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