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 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 12:22 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I agree with your views on the ridiculously prolonged death scene of Carl, Mike (with scenes repeating almost the exact same content, but in slightly different -- and sometimes even the same -- words).

But I disagree with some of your others.

A loud BANG would have been proper, to drive home what just happened, to drive another nail in. But... "poof" is what we got.

I assumed that was not to attrack walkers.

And don't even get started on the ridiculous image of Morgan literally pulling a guy's guts out. It was so crazy over the top...I mean we've just watched him stab a dozen dudes, we get the idea he is no longer a pacifist... but no, we needed the someone's insides literally ripped out of their bodies. There were so many wrong creative choices made in this episode it was heartbreaking. Again a major moment was fumbled by the creative team.

I actually loved that. A surprisingly brutal moment that epitomizes Morgan's presumed voyage back to his 'killing machine' self.

And Carl's Future Happy Vision with Negan and Eugene alive and well and living with Santa Rick felt like it was written specifically to be a WTF moment for the audience, not anything that Carl or anyone from Alexandria would actually wish for. "Ok Pa, I'm a dyin', but let's bring Eugene back even though he betrayed us, oh and you know the dude you've been promising to kill for 2 seasons...but you never use any of the 563 opportunities you've had to do so, that guy who actually turned Glen and Abraham's heads into F*CKING MUSH, yeah that dude...you guys just shake hands and make up. That's my dyin' wish, Pa".

I think you may have misunderstood this moment. What have been set up as "likely" flashforwards are gradually revealed to be rosycoloured, and then FALSE premonitions. The appearance of Negan obviously hammers in the falsehood once and for all. It's an alternative timeline that will never exist.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)


And Carl's Future Happy Vision with Negan and Eugene alive and well and living with Santa Rick felt like it was written specifically to be a WTF moment for the audience, not anything that Carl or anyone from Alexandria would actually wish for. "Ok Pa, I'm a dyin', but let's bring Eugene back even though he betrayed us, oh and you know the dude you've been promising to kill for 2 seasons...but you never use any of the 563 opportunities you've had to do so, that guy who actually turned Glen and Abraham's heads into F*CKING MUSH, yeah that dude...you guys just shake hands and make up. That's my dyin' wish, Pa".

I think you may have misunderstood this moment. What have been set up as "likely" flashforwards are gradually revealed to be rosycoloured, and then FALSE premonitions. The appearance of Negan obviously hammers in the falsehood once and for all. It's an alternative timeline that will never exist.


Actually, I did get that it was Carl's "rose colored glasses" hope for the future, but just couldn't buy that he'd include Negan in his "wish list", so to speak. Eugene, sure ok, they could manage forgiveness there. But thinking anyone in the Alexandria group could even imagine a happy future that includes Negan doesn't seem likely .

For me the main problem was that the drama was just clumsy. Heavy handed and awkward. Even when I've had issues with the show's content it always has been a pretty polished program. This episode felt thrown together, the cuts from group to group didn't have a flow, it always felt jarring.

But still, I'm rooting for the show to find it's way back to the level of the first 2 or 3 seasons . I dont want it to fail , I want it to succeed. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I think using Eugene in the flash forward was okay. I keep thinking he will change and become some kind of hero. Forget Negan. He needs to die.

I still thought the two parallel stories that have a teen and a younger kid teaching the killer adults was very smart. Cutting back and forth between the stories simply emphasized those messages.

It was still a thumbs up episode for me. Just hope the rest of the season works.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2018 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Actually, I did get that it was Carl's "rose colored glasses" hope for the future, but just couldn't buy that he'd include Negan in his "wish list", so to speak. Eugene, sure ok, they could manage forgiveness there. But thinking anyone in the Alexandria group could even imagine a happy future that includes Negan doesn't seem likely .

These sequences are only tangentially related to Carl's "wishes", I think. They eventually turn more into a 'what would have happened if there were no Negan or the Saviors'; an alternate timeline. That's the way I interpreted it; I seriously doubt Negan (or even Eugene) is part of Carl's wishes for a restoration. In this way, the filmmakers comment that the future that is envisioned, will NEVER be reality.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

From dragon

THE WALKING DEAD---the ratings continue to sink. The last episode had a 2.9 rating (18-49 age group) which is the lowest since a Season 1 episode had a 2.8 rating.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Interesting that nobody commented on mondays episode.

I forgot it was on - and i forgot to record it!! Unthinkable 2 years ago.
I will catch the repeat. If i dont, hands up if ive missed any story advancement?! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

You missed some advancement with the Garbage People and an over-the-top gore scene that was really yucky.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I recorded it, but deleted it without viewing it as I'm really short on space on my recorder. I think the Negan thing has gone on too long, it should have been a single season. The show needs revitalizing, I've been saying all along that they should move to a city & involve the walkers more. I think if it carries on like this they'll be lucky to get past season nine, but then nine season ain't doing bad.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Finally watched the last two episodes.
Dunno wot to say really.
Everything seems to be deliberately-annoying filler until rick kills negan.
Inbetween ordinarily sharp and streetwise characters doing stupid things to drag the thing out longer.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I agree that last Sunday's episode reverted back to filler. How long does one chase a guy through a forest? Tightening is needed. No more filler.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2018 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I agree that last Sunday's episode reverted back to filler. How long does one chase a guy through a forest? Tightening is needed. No more filler.


Bumped for Joan at Bill’s texted request.

I’m not an owl!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2018 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Thanks, TG. I can't get this to pop up with a search engine. And I'm missing Bill. I feel like all of my previous insults to him for the last few days have gone unnoticed.wink Hope he is okay.

Since last Sunday's episode was not the finale, I'm sure we all knew Rick would not be able to kill Negan. Just more filler. I knew we'd have about a 25 minute fight that would go nowhere.

Last scene with Garbage Gal was interesting.

The new "knowledge lady" showing up did seem like kind of a portent to the future.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2018 - 12:49 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Sorry joan you couldn't find the thread and with new phone I couldn't find my password!!
Alright now.

This thread was only on page two.
There is an netherworld when threads drop off page two but aren't in the search engine. When that happens you have to go to Google type film score monthly walking dead and it shows up.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2018 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

I found Mondays episode more drawn out filler. The drop that negan did was high enuf to break both legs or his back. And it was obvious the whole desolate building sequence would come to nothing.
The only tense theme is whether dwight was gonna get found out or not.
Gabriel is the shows most irritating character and ive long hoped he got bitten.

To be honest..im starting to root for the walkers.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2018 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Bill, I also root for the walkers at times. I want them to chomp on a few characters in the series and also eat the fillers out of the scripts.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2018 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

We could solve it all by letting some walkers into the scriptwriters brainstorming meeting and bolting the door!! smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Sorry, but that finale was a pile of unsatisfactory poo.

Two fkn seasons wasted for that feeble puff of smoke?

Nothing less than negan getting battered by his own bat or stabbed to death by a thousand cuts by EVERYONE he had wronged wouldve been deserved.

What happened when they kept the saviours locked up? They got out and killed. And whats gonna happen next series when negan gets out? Oh perleeze, no more.


"...
THE WALKING DEAD---Season 8's finale drew 7.9 million viewers which is the lowest season finale rating since Season 1. The Season 8 finale had an 18% increase over the previous week's episode, but was 30% down from Season 7's finale."

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I kind of liked Rick buying into Carl's view of a better world, but to leave Negan alive was reprehensible. I wanted Rick to beat him with Lucille and then look for a more positive world.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Being locked up for eternity seemed like a fitting punishment too. Alas, I just don't think he will remain locked up. They need to end this character and this particular story arc early in the next season. Carl's "rosycoloured" future didn't sit well with me either. Sometimes, you have to go "old testament" on certain villains.

But other than that, I'm still loving the show. Although at this point in time, FEAR THE WALKING DEAD might be the superior show.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

To be honest the Negan character has gone on a whole season too long.
And now theyve dragged it out to the next.

The worst kind of scriptwriters stretching out a dead donkey.

Somewhere along the line these producers of shows that start well get so conceited they think they can do whatever they like to their audience. In the end, plot twists become passe and readable because they do the same shit all the time. Eugene messing with the ammo was guessable three episodes ago. And before the finale started i thought Surely they wont have the front to keep negan alive for yet another series? But they did. When shows start to iritate me i know its time to phase them out.

There was a time when id stay up till 2am sundays to get the next episode of WD in time with u,s.
How times change.

 
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