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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

Ah, I see. I'll mention some must-have albums tomorrow. Now I'm going to bed.

Awesome! Only three in the afternoon here, hahaha. Later this evening, I'll be trying out some of the names mentioned in this thread.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2019 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Cool! Yeah, not sure if psytrance or goa is appropriate for 'mood music' (it's a little too energetic for that), but there's plenty of cool synthwave stuff that fits the bill. Or more downtempo, ambient house acts like Future Sound of London, Orbital, The Orb, Biosphere, Shamen and so on. Among the psytrance acts, Shpongle is probably the most appropriate for those scenarios.

I would not call Orbital and Shamen downtempo ambient house though.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

I've liked what I've heard of Juno Reactor and Shpongle so far. Bonabo and Tycho have a nice sound but are not what I'm looking for.

I also listened to some recent pop singles and their remixes by the likes of K-Pop Itzy ("Icy") and Normani ("Motivation"). Nothing too noteworthy there.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I would not call Orbital and Shamen downtempo ambient house though.

Shamen does a lot of ambient house, like AXIS MUTATIS. Orbital moves a little around in terms of genres, but definitely flirts with that particular sub genre on many occasions.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 2:41 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Limiting it to only one per artist, these are some must-check-out albums within the 'umbrella category' of progressive techno -- which so far counts stuff like psytrance/goa, ambient house, "regular" house, trip hop and so on. So yeah, we're definitely stretching the umbrella a bit here into all EM and EDM that isn't commercially oriented! smile

In no particular order:

Juno Reactor - LABYRINTH



Orbital - BLUE ALBUM



Paul Oakenfold - TRAVELLING



Filteria - DAZE OF OUR LIVES



Shpongle - ARE YOU SHPONGLED?



Man With No Name - EARTH MOVING THE SUN



The Infinity Project - FEELING WEIRD



Infected Mushroom - LEGEND OF THE BLACK SHAWARMA



Hallucinogen - TWISTED



Future Sound of London - WE HAVE EXPLOSIVE



That's a start.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I don't know if I could qualify as a "fan", as I know far less about this type of music than I do about classical music or some other types, but I certainly am familiar with some of the artists you mention and own a few of their albums. I particularly enjoy that type of music at times when driving at night, especially on the Autobahn. :-)

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

Thank you, Thor. I'll sample tracks off these albums tonight as I write.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I would not call Orbital and Shamen downtempo ambient house though.

Shamen does a lot of ambient house, like AXIS MUTATIS. Orbital moves a little around in terms of genres, but definitely flirts with that particular sub genre on many occasions.


I have Axis Mutatis. I mostly remember the singles Destination Eschaton, Transamazonia and Heal, which are not ambient house at all, but you may be right about some of the "deeper" tracks on the album.

I agree that a track like Belfast by Orbital may flirt with the ambient genre, but I mostly think of their stuff as uptempo and energetic. Haven't heard everything though.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I had all of Orbital's studio albums once, but have now weeded them down to just four (DIVERSIONS, SNIVILSATION, BLUE ALBUM and the PUSHER score). Several tracks on SNIVILSATION would qualify as ambient house, as well as the BROWN ALBUM. Note that ambient house is usually more uptempo than your usual Brian Eno-type ambient. But they do a lot of breakbeats, so it's sometimes hard to make out what they really are. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2019 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I use to DJ as a kid..

Whatever techno evolved too it originated off hard-core even earlier electronic-house. UK had early pirate-radio-stations wave-banding hard-core-techno was cool the best-times. Someone said Detroit having up-tempo house that was interesting music in-between house & electronica sometimes feeling upbeat techno - Jeff Mills was their finest artist & DJ.

Techno started blending other dance sources, Techno-trance 92-96 was the best period for "music-making-ever" bags of detail.. suddenly artists were remixing original-tunes or just newer stuff it was so flat it had no impact - just awful repetitive banging, not cool. Also psychedelic & goa trance was ok some however got-too one dimensional it had no-heart when listening but there was rewarding tunes noted I find the milder music easier too connect with. The artists & DJ's who could play any-musical-sets or played harder-sets that convinced me were Carl Cox, Sven Vath & Jeff Mills these guys were the best for years Cox was DJ of the year x2. Paul Oakenfold sucks he's commercial many others I could list.

Never liked corny hard-house music no hearty-detail.. jungle & drum & bass was awful too there was half a dozen tracks i liked representing film, " Evil-Dead Scotty" "Predator, Its the Jungle Just came Alive & Took Him."

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2019 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Coldcut's trip-hop abstract & ambient style was better than other artists their work or Dj-inn dipped into film-music occasionally - if you've heard their album "Journeys by DJs 70 Minutes of Madness" then you'll know what it is this should be in every-ones collection its trippy-fun.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2019 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Didn't explain myself, i'm more underground in particular artists & dance genres that scene died in 1996, & "Hard-house" was the new-form of techno a crusty-one that had no heart.

Oakenfold's commercial in every-dance-set I've heard barring "Order Odonata 1994," I was at his set in Wembley JDJ 1994, it was shit been too other events feeling the same - funny thing is why did he play his tune he produced "Not Over Yet" so much in mix-sets, its an awful track-lyric.

Top artist-DJ's worth mentioning from the earlier scenes of techno-trance.

Gayle San
DJ Dag
Colin Dale
Mrs Woods
Joey Beltram
Surgeon
Miss Djax
Eric Powell
Billy Nasty
Dave Clark

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2019 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

You keep dissing Oakenfold, which is weird. I don't think he's commercial at all. Certainly, as one of the pioneers of 90s house and trance, he's quite big and popular within that nice. But not very much outside. He has an impressive range, though, and mad skills as a songwriter too (such as the brilliant BUNKKA album). His TRAVELLING album, as previously mentioned, is one of my top 20 favourite albums of all time, regardless of genre.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2019 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

You keep dissing Oakenfold, which is weird. I don't think he's commercial at all. Certainly, as one of the pioneers of 90s house and trance, he's quite big and popular within that nice. But not very much outside. He has an impressive range, though, and mad skills as a songwriter too (such as the brilliant BUNKKA album). His TRAVELLING album, as previously mentioned, is one of my top 20 favourite albums of all time, regardless of genre.

Nothings weird he isn't a very-good mixer either if you compared him too someone like Carl Cox who could play-mixing on 4 decks or Jeff Mills who's a prolific fast-mixer of techno sets "The Liquid Room 1995" there's no comparison Thor there's levels & skills on decks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2019 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I agree Oakenfold sold lots of commercial music & merchandise under Perfecto he had gigs all-over the world his popularity is along the lies of Star Wars if its your tea.. all the underground artists listed mix ole Paul too sleepy.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2019 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree regarding Oakenfold. I think he's one of the best (and most versatile) producers and composers this genre has ever seen. Not commercial at all (although he can easily do that if he wants to). We seem to like different aspects of the genre; I'm more into later, more hardhitting, lush stuff. Most of the names you mention, I have little or no connection to, I'm afraid, but I'll check them out.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2019 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree regarding Oakenfold. I think he's one of the best (and most versatile) producers and composers this genre has ever seen. Not commercial at all (although he can easily do that if he wants to). We seem to like different aspects of the genre; I'm more into later, more hardhitting, lush stuff. Most of the names you mention, I have little or no connection to, I'm afraid, but I'll check them out.

Oakenfold done well he found a mass market like Pete Tong etc.. the house or trance music had a more commercial edge too it.. examples of it are Club-Cream - Gate-crasher or Ministry they're knowingly comm.. venues filled with causals.

Underground techno trance clubs like "The End" "Club UK" or "Zap Club" were really hard-line in musical taste they were really loud venues as technicians would crank it up so much further, strictly for the hard-line mob, causals would pass-out.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2019 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think you might be confusing 'commercial' with 'popular within a niche'. No doubt Oakenfold is big within his niche, but he rarely transgressed into commercial stuff, with big crossover appeal like Darude, Scooter, David Guetta, Armin van Buuren, Kygo, Calvin Harris and so on. He's stayed within the various forms of underground techno and DJing he helped pioneer in the early 90s, even when he pulls elements from more 'listener-friendly' material for Gatecrasher, Essential Mix sets etc.

It is not accidental that Oakenfold is -- by many -- considered the most influential DJ of EDM, for example here: https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london/music/the-most-influential-djs-of-all-time-a3878466.html . He even launched Carl Cox' career, since you mentioned him earlier.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2019 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

No point arguing with you anymore Thor.. I have the Essential Mix-set on cd nearly all them tunes sorta commercial I know trance well its not just goa or psych they all have a different BPM capacity tribalesque tone.

The only cd heard is "Order Ordonata" that set is not commercial in the slightest but that's all he's done, i'm looking at consistency he doesn't have that he's not dark-side, maybe he doesn't want to scare-off his fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2019 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, we're apparently on different planets in our evaluations here. I hear absolutely nothing of what you describe in his albums -- whether the three studio/solo albums or any of the Perfecto 'set' CDs -- my favourites being TRAVELLING, GLOBAL UNDERGROUND: OSLO, ANOTHER WORLD and GREAT WALL, as well as the SWORDFISH score.

 
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