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 Posted:   Sep 4, 2010 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

Finally found a Front Row edition to compare it with my old Platinum one. Happy to concur that the Front Row does have a sharper picture and clearer sound ! However, although it retains the Paramount opening logo, the audio doesn't kick-in until after that ( so we miss about 5 seconds of the opening title music). Does anyone else who owns this edition notice this anomally?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2010 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

So I guess I was asking if the laser disc has fewer color issues than the numerous PD DVDs, some of which were allegedly transferred directly from the laser disc. I'll take it the answer is yes.

So I guess it all comes back around to the widescreen LD being the best home video version...at this time.

Greg Espinoza


I'm sure it is. My laser disc player broke down a long time ago so I'm unable to play it. Wish I had it transferred to DVD-R for comparison. I do seem to recall it has some color issues in terms of one reel being better quality than another, but it was a slight thing.


Finally found a Front Row edition to compare it with my old Platinum one. Happy to concur that the Front Row does have a sharper picture and clearer sound ! However, although it retains the Paramount opening logo, the audio doesn't kick-in until after that ( so we miss about 5 seconds of the opening title music). Does anyone else who owns this edition notice this anomaly?

Yes, my copy has the same anomaly.


Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2011 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Bumping this thread. There is now a German blu-ray of this title - avoid at all costs - it literally has almost no color after the first five minutes.

All of the DVDs listed above are substandard. The DVD you'll want for now is from France - from a label called Wild Side Video. The transfer is from a French print (probably IB Tech, which doesn't transfer perfectly), has pretty accurate color, is reasonably sharp and upscales very well, and, best of all, is anamorphically enhanced for widescreen TVs. One large downside - forced French subtitles, but I can live with those because the image quality is so far above every other version - I have every one listed above including the laserdisc, but this beats them all by a country mile. Not perfect, but until Paramount lets someone have the elements or does something with them themselves, it's the best we've got.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2011 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)


Thanks for the update.



Buy it from amazonFrance:

http://www.amazon.fr/Vengeance-Aux-Deux-Visages/dp/B00479MCC4/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1313155400&sr=1-1

I might agree that the Wild Side offers the best quality, if it were not for the fact that the color has been re-timed and biased toward blue. Not unnaturally so, but not how the film is supposed to look, either.

It is region 2 PAL so you will need a multi-region player to watch, or you'll need to reset your NTSC player to watch it.

Then there is the 4% PAL speed-up to contend with. Some people don't notice it, but to me it makes all the difference in the world. Physical motion becomes kinetic and voices high-pitched. Some discs don't seem as speeded up as others, however.

Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2011 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

The color most certainly has not been re-timed and the film should have a lot of blue. IB Tech was known for it's blues - if you expect it to look like the yellow and brown crap they make today, well, no. I know this film intimately and the Wild Side is the only one that even approximates the correct color.

But I'll be we can figure this out right now - do you think the DVD and blu-ray of The Searchers has good color? If so, then you simply don't know what these films should look like - The Searchers' color is a travesty - way too much yellow. I love IB Tech and I love films from this era, especially westerns, and I love when they get the color right - and yes, that color will have lots of BLUE. BLUE is our friend for older color films.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2011 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Wow there are some screencaps on here:
http://www.cineclubdecaen.com/realisat/brando/vengeanceauxdeuxvisages.htm
And it looks absolutely wonderful, even though they are small.
How is the sound on this one? Can you actually hear the score crisp and clean too?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2011 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

I've seen an original IB tech print of ONE-EYED JACKS projected a few years ago. It's owned by a private collector. That viewing prompted my gathering all the available DVDs and eventually starting this thread.

The color pallet is earthy and natural. Of course it has blue, but it's not supposed to be biased toward blue. The color timing on the Wild Side DVD is incorrect.

Yes, I've seen the Blu-ray and Ultimate Collectors Edition DVD of THE SEARCHERS.
In fact I complained about it loudly and persistently, and posted about it at HTF.
Yes, I agree it is over-saturated with yellow.
It is a travesty, and infuriating.
It is a violation of John Ford's expressed and noted intentions.
It even changes the ruddy color of the earth for which Monument Valley is famous.
This is typical of Ned Price and his cronies at Warner Brothers.
Price did the same thing to SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON, GONE WITH THE WIND, and others.
GONE WITH THE WIND was later corrected, but only partially.
The technical reasons Price has given for the change do not in actual fact account for the change.
Warner Brothers should have fired Ned Price long ago.


Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2011 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)



I have the DIAMOND VIDEO DVD of ONE-EYED JACKS
released in 2000. I recently watched it again on my
Sony Bluray player and it looks great to my eyes.
It is the complete 141 minute version. It's widescreen, too.

Den

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2011 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

I updated my initial post and will update it again in the next day or so.

shureman:
Can anyone confirm, who owns the laserdisc, that the film is not color-corrected?


You mean reconstitute the color?
Paramount did not color-correct the film for the laser disc, no.
The color in the original IB tech Vista Vision prints looks fine.


I have the DIAMOND VIDEO DVD of ONE-EYED JACKS
released in 2000. I recently watched it again on my
Sony Bluray player and it looks great to my eyes.
It is the complete 141 minute version. It's widescreen, too.

Den


Which Diamond Video DVD?
Diamond released it a number of times with different covers and for all I know perhaps sourced from different transfers.
This Diamond edition is the most common:



If this is not the one, can you post the cover art, or a link to an amazon page that shows the DVD you like?

Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2011 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Diamond released it a number of times with different covers and for all I know perhaps sourced from different transfers.This Diamond edition is the most common:


Yep. This is the same one I have. I thought the picture detail was
pretty sharp, considering. The colors look vibrant. I don't know what's up
with some of those screen captures posted above (from other labels)
that look all blurry, but my dvd looks way better than that.

Den




 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2011 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Den, then I must conclude the Diamond edition has improved, because the one I bought years ago looks like shvt on a shingle. Maybe I should buy another one.


Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2011 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Intergroove Media released a Blu-ray in Germany.

Here are some screen captures posted by one MarcelH at another forum:

http://www.imagebanana.com/view/etkbrf5t/FF4C46736039410A9212498108C86F2A.jpg
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/r0dihj8i/27D63AFF16504693ABE5EC1661707E82.jpg
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/vtzprpsm/314E0E7788CA464A99685B34FCDAE2CD.jpg
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/y810z6qf/E272A789CF8A4ADD9B947DA160F86020.jpg

Awful looking.
Same company will release it here in the USA on November 8.

France's Wild Side Video DVD looks much better than that, albeit biased toward blue.
A few screen captures here:

http://www.ecranlarge.com/movie_image-view-10983-441514-dvd.php

More captures at this French forum:

http://www.dvdclassik.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11648&start=30

Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2011 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Den, then I must conclude the Diamond edition has improved, because the one I bought years ago looks like shvt on a shingle. Maybe I should buy another one.
Richard


The cover insert for the dvd lists the release date as 2000.
I've had the dvd quite a few years now, so I must have
purchased it sometime around 2000 or 2001. I really don't
remember. Does it look like a HD transfer? No.
I'll tell ya one thing though. Considering this
dvd is a "public domain" disc by a fly-by-night
label, it looks wayyyy better than THE GAUNTLET,
(WB DVD) which looks absolutely AWFUL! I've never
seen a muddier or more grainy transfer in all my life.

Den

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2011 - 11:37 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

God, I love this movie. Can't anyone rescue it? It's too great to die of PD neglect.
No studio Santa's knee to sit on....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2011 - 2:03 AM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned if this D.V.D. version of "One Eyed Jacks" has the trailer, which I have along with the widescreen version on a D.V.D.-R. from a V.H.S. tape which I recorded in 1994, which has a medley of themes from Hugo Friedhofer's great score.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2011 - 2:03 AM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Sorry. Double post.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2011 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Intergroove Media released a Blu-ray in Germany.

Here are some screen captures posted by one MarcelH at another forum:

http://www.imagebanana.com/view/etkbrf5t/FF4C46736039410A9212498108C86F2A.jpg
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/r0dihj8i/27D63AFF16504693ABE5EC1661707E82.jpg
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/vtzprpsm/314E0E7788CA464A99685B34FCDAE2CD.jpg
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/y810z6qf/E272A789CF8A4ADD9B947DA160F86020.jpg

Awful looking.
Same company will release it here in the USA on November 8.

France's Wild Side Video DVD looks much better than that, albeit biased toward blue.
A few screen captures here:

http://www.ecranlarge.com/movie_image-view-10983-441514-dvd.php

More captures at this French forum:

http://www.dvdclassik.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11648&start=30

Richard


I guess you missed the part of my post that said that it had come out on blu-ray in Germany and the part where I said avoid it at all costs. But thanks for reiterating.

A simple look at the caps you posted will tell you there is no blue bias to the Wild Side - it's not perfect, color-wise, but it's the only one that comes close. There is no debate on this, I'm afraid. If you did not see this when it came out it doesn't really matter if you saw an IB print (and I have no idea if you really did or not) - because IB prints that are shown privately are shown on projectors with Xenon lamps - which, wait for it, have a yellow bias. IB prints were all timed for carbon arc lamphouses, which gave a truer and bluer light. I go to a friend's screening room all the time - he shows amazing IB prints, usually every week. They all look yellow and nothing like they should. Why? His projector lamps. I miss carbon-arcs - as big as a pain in the ass as they were.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2011 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

haineshisway:

I guess you missed the part of my post that said that it had come out on blu-ray in Germany and the part where I said avoid it at all costs. But thanks for reiterating.


Don't thank me. I didn't miss it. I ignored it.

I started this thread and I will be updating it from time to time regardless of what you say about things.

My update was prepared before I read the new posts.

haineshisway:
A simple look at the caps you posted will tell you there is no blue bias to the Wild Side - it's not perfect, color-wise, but it's the only one that comes close. There is no debate on this, I'm afraid. If you did not see this when it came out it doesn't really matter if you saw an IB print (and I have no idea if you really did or not) - because IB prints that are shown privately are shown on projectors with Xenon lamps - which, wait for it, have a yellow bias. IB prints were all timed for carbon arc lamphouses, which gave a truer and bluer light. I go to a friend's screening room all the time - he shows amazing IB prints, usually every week. They all look yellow and nothing like they should. Why? His projector lamps. I miss carbon-arcs - as big as a pain in the ass as they were.


You're ridiculous.
You don't know. That's right, since you weren't there, you don't know, so maybe you should shut up. The Paramount laser-disc is sourced from original VistaVision elements that are color-accurate and therefor the laser-disc is color-accurate. I will not be told how One-Eyed Jacks is supposed to look by someone who says the film is supposed to be blue.

Richard

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2011 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Wow. Someone seems a tad, shall we say, TESTY today. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2011 - 7:26 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

haineshisway:

I guess you missed the part of my post that said that it had come out on blu-ray in Germany and the part where I said avoid it at all costs. But thanks for reiterating.


Don't thank me. I didn't miss it. I ignored it.

I started this thread and I will be updating it from time to time regardless of what you say about things.

haineshisway:
A simple look at the caps you posted will tell you there is no blue bias to the Wild Side - it's not perfect, color-wise, but it's the only one that comes close. There is no debate on this, I'm afraid. If you did not see this when it came out it doesn't really matter if you saw an IB print (and I have no idea if you really did or not) - because IB prints that are shown privately are shown on projectors with Xenon lamps - which, wait for it, have a yellow bias. IB prints were all timed for carbon arc lamphouses, which gave a truer and bluer light. I go to a friend's screening room all the time - he shows amazing IB prints, usually every week. They all look yellow and nothing like they should. Why? His projector lamps. I miss carbon-arcs - as big as a pain in the ass as they were.


You're ridiculous.
You don't know. That's right, since you weren't there, you don't know, so maybe you should shut up. The Paramount laser-disc is sourced from original VistaVision elements that are color-accurate and therefor the laser-disc is color-accurate. I will not be told how One-Eyed Jacks is supposed to look by someone who says the film is supposed to be blue.

Richard


I'M ridiculous? I think it's obvious who is ridiculous here and - hint - it's not me. I posted information about the German blu-ray and its quality and you ignored it so you could post the same information as if you'd thought of it? Have I got that right. Insane much? You don't know WHAT the laserdisc was sourced from and the one thing I can guarantee you is that it was NOT sourced from any VistaVision element because it was not possible to do so back then. It was sourced from an internegative. As to timing, you have no idea who did the timing or what they based that timing on. I wasn't there for what? I WAS there when the film came out and I DID see it several times, and then I owned a 35mm IB print so I think that just makes me a little more knowledgeable about this particular film than you. I know it pains you but there it is. You will not be told anything that doesn't fit into your square compartmentalized little world - a world, BTW, which is based on what? Please enlighten everyone about your expertise in film and elements and what this film is supposed to look like. But it's easier to just be a twit that says "Shut up." The problem is if people who DO know these things shut up then fools like you have their inane posts taken as gospel. Someone has to post factual information and if that has to be me then it has to be me.

But this is who you are, so we shall await another offensively inane post from you.

 
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