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 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It's down on the ground. That skycrane concept would seem to be a proven method.

Yeah, I was wondering if they just got lucky the first time. Who knew science works?!

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Interesting to see the rates. At one point during entry the capsule containing the important stuff was experiencing around 9.3g (-91.14 meters per second per second) during maximum dynamic atmospheric pressure. It almost seems to defy odds that the machinery can withstand the effects of so much induced 'heaviness.'

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I looked at previous maps indicating the intended landing zone inside Jezero crater for the rover. I compared this with the map NASA released yesterday indicating where the rover actually landed, and its pretty much a bullseye! Not bad driving remotely from 33.9 million miles away.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I found an old map of the proposed landing area and superimposed it over the actual landing site that NASA released (yesterday) and lined them up to the same scale. I then drew a circle of the proposed site then deleted the old map.

The green circle is the crater wall, the blue circle is the landing site of the Rover. The tear drop I guess its exact location and the red circle was the area they were shooting for.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Today's news conference update.

* Rover may make its first short drive on 8 or 9 Sol days.
* Drone deployment might be around Sol 60. The drone can take pictures and video. It can fly for 90 seconds per flight.
* Rover and Drone will be able to take pictures of each other on Mars.
* Eventually will see video of the Rover landing from various viewpoints.
* Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter took a picture of the Rover descending on it's parachute.
* NASA released first ever photo of the Rover being lowered to the ground from the viewpoint of the Skycrane. (Still several meters off the ground)

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

New Rover smell.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/rover_drop.jpg

The skycrane lowering the Rover onto the ground. Still a couple of meters off the surface.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

What a great picture.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I can hear Cher singing, "like a puppet on a string . . ."

Sol, that is a nice piece of handiwork. Reminds me of the importance of the work done on the surface mapping cameras by the Apollo CSM CM pilots. The spacecraft were flown with their SIM bays facing the Moon's surface and the cameras pointing straight down. What they revealed would be used to update the intel for the next mission in line. The J mission landing targets became progressively more and more ambitious as time went by. Apollos 15 and 17 were like the CE3K mothership landing in the box canyon on one side of Devil's Tower. There was very little room for error. But, as you say, the task of finding the preset landing site required a certain level of AI capability to line the virtual world up with the real one.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 9:09 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Anyone knows what happens to the "cruise stage" when it separates from the entry capsule? Does it fly by Mars and go into deep space, gets caught in Mars gravity and orbits around the planet as space junk, or burn up in the atmosphere?

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 11:03 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

That's not an instant one. Mars is a big planet, but it's not as big as Earth. Both the descent and ascent stages of the Apollo lunar module had fairly small rocket engines. It was an amazing piece of kit. With limitations, it could descend to the lunar surface and ascend to orbit to rendezvous with the mother ship. It had enough delta_v propellant to push itself around the Moon to accomplish its mission.

The 3rd stage of the Saturn V, once propelled towards the moon would sometimes impact on it with intent once the CSM/LM stack separated. Mid course corrections effected by the CSM/LM ensured it would go above the Moon's local horizon, rather than under it. When you do this farther out from the gravitating body you're heading towards, the less rocket engine impulse is required to make a deviation with respect to the planetary horizon. It's like the further away you are when you make make a course correction, the greater the leverage you have (the less fuel you need to get the job done, too) - the closer you get, the inverse square law ensures you get less leverage because the acceleration caused by gravity is so much greater and any push required to make a significant 'dent' to a spacecraft's inertial motion toward or away from the planetary local horizon is going to be so much greater. So, I tend to think the body of the probe that separated from Perseverance would not have deviated greatly from itself because they were on a corridor approach straight into Mars' atmosphere, having left each other close enough to the planet that the outcome was for both of them to go in. If separation had occured much earlier and under control it may have been possible to send the attachment around the planet, rather than into it. My guess is that would not have been possible because Perseverance required services from the module to stay powered and in good shape and they needed to stay attached for as long as possible. It the service module section had gone around Mars it would then add to the bits of loose change flying around the solar system local to the Earth. Also, Newton's laws of motion mean that when Perseverance separated from its trunk the equal and opposite reaction forces between them slowed one down and the other one up a bit. Since Perseverance was in 'front' of the trunk, which was 'behind' it, then Perseverance would not have the trunk acting as a possible obstruction directly ahead, because it (the trunk) was moving slightly slower and behind. The same thing happened with Apollo. The CM separated so that it was in front of the SM with respect to their combined motion into the re-entry corridor to Earth's atmosphere. In space, nothing can be left to chance.

But, as with the lunar module and the Moon, the smaller the planetary body you're navigating with respect to, the less force is required by the engines to go this way or that way whenever the need arises. All I can say, Sol, is that Mars is somewhere in size between the Moon and the Earth.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2021 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I figured from the live graphics the cruise stage separated just before the capsule started it's decent into the thin atmosphere. thus it probably free fell and burned up. Though I don't know if any pieces made it to the surface. NASA is always concerned about cross contaminating other planets but I guess the cruise stage, if any of it landed on the planet is as free of microbes as the rest of the craft could be.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2021 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)


A planet that has a signature indicating the presence of life will not contain a chemically inert atmosphere. This is the basic idea.

Probably on a lockdown, anyway! wink

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2021 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I guess you could say that planets are pretty big garbage collecting entities.

But not as good as black holes. They squeeze all known universal garbage down to zero size!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2021 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The missing audio from the Perseverance landing...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2021 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The missing audio from the Perseverance landing...

Don't tease like that. I thought it was the real deal for a moment.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2021 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

The missing audio from the Perseverance landing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1_zmHHGe4I


Just to be clear – although the POTA fan rip was amusing – here is the real thing, and it is FREAKING AWESOME:

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-mars-perseverance-rover-provides-front-row-seat-to-landing-first-audio



Still gives me chills they pulled this off so elegantly.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2021 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

What do you mean? There is no audio there either, just the NASA people speaking.

From what I've read, the mikes failed during landing.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2021 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Just to be clear – although the POTA fan rip was amusing – here is the real thing, and it is FREAKING AWESOME

The POTA audio clip was entertaining, not merely "amusing." The complete video (which it's from) is available everywhere, and doesn't have any Martian-based audio. And is freaking boring with 12-minute old Nasa voiceover description.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2021 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Sadly, no rat-bat-spiders anywhere to be found. frown
Imagine how cool that would be.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2021 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I knew I'd seen that skycrane 'angle' before:

 
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