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 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)


 Posted:   Oct 25, 2017 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

So apart from the rinse-spin plot cycle, the low ratings, the inability to kill the villain, the prolonging of the plot, the shiny teeth, the scrubbed-up characters, the dull heroes, the boring zombies, ...what has the walking dead ever given us...!! wink

Apart from Lauren Cohan showin' us some skin? big grin

Don't get me wrong, it was still a really good show a couple seasons back. They have time to get it together. They said over and over this season is going full metal jacket. Hope it's that and not the other "jack."

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2017 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Walking dead shite:

Where did all the Alexandrians turn up from? They've been through 3 massacres.

Ricks speech. Only Negan has to die and yet there's been so many opportunities. So many.

Red licourice and sunglasses - kooky lesbian. It's who she is now.

Shut up King Fool.

The world is our? We earned it! - what?

Did one eye park up then walk miles away out of view of his car?

He drives off a stranger? Could have been a spy? What? Either kill him or take him in.

So all the look outs have no form of communication between themselves? Then what use are they? They'd just drive back to town? Beep a horn? Which would make no sense.

Another chat - with priest about just needing to kill Negan. Thanks for mentioning that. Hadn't realised.

Tender kiss with Mishonne who is now a wimp.

Some look out is killed in a tree and falls out. Looked bad and clumsy.

He stabbed the guy just enough he can give a speech.

Corrugated iron or thin wood would not stop a bullet but you can hide behind.

Really bad dialogue as they go through the goodies camp as they pair off and chat

The King speechifying is just embarrassing. In life you'd just call him out as mentally ill.

How did they lure all the zombies? Unnecessarily held on shot.

Awful dialogue again. "I want some bang bang"

Wait they drive an entire convoy up to the door? So easily? Then bunch up?

Aren't bullets valuable?

Just shoot Negan and the others now they're stood out of cover in front of you. Kill him instantly.

Rick as Rip Van Hipster loving it up. Stop wasting fucking time. And Mishone is pathetic again. Im sick of Rick crying.

Why aren't they killing him? Why is Negan allowed to speak.

Give the offer but just shoot Negan anyway. They let him go back inside?

Who cares what Xander Berkley says. He's the only one not fighting for the goodies at hilltop. So who cares? Just don't let Xander back in. It's not an issue.

Why is this going on so long? FFS. A ten count? How do you miss? With an MP5 at that distance for a supposedly good shot?

And he runs down the steps. They shot no one on the walkway? How is that possible?

They blow up 3 cars? That's hardly dent a in an army

And why shoot all the glass? Why the windows? They made a point of showing that but nobody firing back? Also does this complex only have one small courtyard much like the prison?

How long would it take those zombies to walk there? An hour? But they're right there behind a speeding motorbike.

Big gunfight with no deaths. Negan apparently hiding in plain sight all the time.

Priest you deserve to die. But zombies are ignoring him? What the fuck?

Structurally it's awful. No momentum. It's just all cut up. And they just ride back assuming the zombies will kill everyone?

A token Muslim introduced? Why not a Sikh? Because current real world politics.

Rick - "this is not about me?" Is this the new "ricks a good man?

11 people with machine guns can't hit a man behind a car?

Negan should be annoyed not laughing.

Jesus the speech is still going. "We've already won" What? Just what the fuck?

No one concerned about the Yoda talking trash dwellers?

It's garbage. After two awful years (which I just dipped in and out of as they were so bad). Still. The writing is so bad they'll be hired for an Alien sequel. Get rid of the showrunners and give yourself a chance.

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2017 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Thorough blow-by-blow assessment wanderer.
Probly more than the episode deserves but cant disagree with any of it.

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2017 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Thorough blow-by-blow assessment wanderer.
Probly more than the episode deserves but cant disagree with any of it.

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2017 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

In one of dragon53's posts, the following was said."THE WALKING DEAD---showrunner Scott M. Gimple explained why Rick didn't shoot Negan in the Season 8 premiere, “What shouldn’t be glossed over is Rick is offering surrender to everyone else. He wants them to, more or less, be on his side after that. If he just shot Negan there, that would have been a shortcut to the war. He was making a play to not be in full violence with these people because you see what happens after that… If in fact Negan’s other Lieutenants had given up, it would have been over.”

I think that makes sense. I never thought Rick and cars showed up for the BIG showdown. That will come later.

I was disappointed in a lot of the filler stuff in Season 7, but I thought our first new episode last week was pretty good. I still think "time" is being played with, and that new surprises will be unveiled.

Thought I'd add some sugar to all the acid dripping in this thread. smile

 Posted:   Oct 27, 2017 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

But the fact is that Negan turns them down and they don't immediately shoot him anyway makes no sense. Then they could say to the leftenants, you fellas are free to do whatever you want we have no problem with you. Basically the second they don't jump on board and accept the offer Rick gives them then it should have been bang yer all dead, or at least Negan. All the goodies ever talk about is killing Negan.

The fact that 30 armed people can't hit any if five people on a walkway is just ridiculous. What were they aiming their guns at? The windows? It's another head scratching moment among many.

(All the notes I wrote in my previous post were as the show progressed, my mate wanted to know what I thought but it was too late to message them, so I kept the notes as my memory is really bad)

 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

Wanderer, everything you pointed out in your big post is 100% legit.

If a real group of zomba-poc survivors behaved the way Rick's group does, they wouldn't last two weeks.

Another funny tidbit:

What psycho wasteland warlord walks out first instead of sending out a grunt to check on "that noise"?

That was hilarious.

 Posted:   Oct 28, 2017 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Thought I'd add some sugar to all the acid dripping in this thread. smile

I missed this comment before, it just made me laugh, Joan! wink

 Posted:   Oct 31, 2017 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Erm... I found ep2 a bit irritating.
Ok, they are attacking various Saviours strongholds, i get that, but its all a bit messy and confusing.

And it seems to me they are lacking a few grenades, or at least some home-made molotovs.

Also ive never seen so many people let off heavy machine gun rounds and at people cowering behind thin car panels and yet barely hit anyone.

Then we have Jesus getting all "new age concious" cant shoot this prisoner, who then turns out to be a completely lying scumbag who nearly kills him and terra. Then 30 sec outside they get more prisoners and he hasnt learned his lesson.

The only good bit was stick man who completely turns into dirty harry and marches down the corridor and wipes out about 20 saviours on his own.

Id like stick man to visit the scriptwriters!

 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Bill, I agree that this last episode was confusing, and I think that is intentional. At least we haven’t seen a lot of filler. There is a lot of action, and a lot of machine guns that seem to rarely hit a target.

I think that we are intentionally being shown snippets of the overall plan which does seem confusing. If I were to bet, I’d say we haven’t been shown the BIG overall plan to take out the saviors that was carefully formulated right after Negan and the Garbage Dump people left Rick’s compound at the end of Season 7. No way could Rick devise multiple hits at various Saviors sites right after Negan left Rick’s compound. I think (but could be wrong) that Rick and the other groups took some time to formulate a strike plan. Last week we saw Carol and others lure zombies into Negan’s main compound. Rick and others just shot at Negan and his group to deflect them and to create time for the zombies to arrive. This week we saw various strikes at various Savior sites. I think we’ll flash back and see the Garbage people taken out or recruited by Rick. Or maybe the Garbage group be hit at the same time at Saviors are being hit. Maybe the Amazon women were recruited too at some point.

We are witnessing current strikes that I believe were devised by Rick and others in the PAST.

I did note on one of dragon’s post that we will see an episode that goes into Negan’s past. Not happy about that because I don’t care about his past. Just want him to get nailed, and I think that will happen in the finale of season 8.

 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Yes back stories are toilet.
They are just teasing you when you are ready for the main action.
Again just scriptwriters taking the piss and being irritating rather than clever.
Especially when they devote whole filler episodes to explain somerhing that dont need explaining.

Yes im with you -i cant believe that any of this would be hit and hope - there has to be a endgame to smoke negan out, because they have been 8 moves behind him so far. They need deep cover dig deep. Not silly jesus going soft with killer scum. Just didnt ring true. Espec after he nearly died being all pacifist, and then they capture that scumbag who caused all the trouble at the exchanges. And let him live. Nah that dog dont hunt.

By the way at the end where the guy says ive recalled the saviours - did the radio reply "er sorry, we are bit tied down with a 1000 walkers in the compound - we could be a bit late!"

plus the guy with gun and radio - how many seconds into next week's episode before a crossbow dart comes out his eyeball? wink

And we still didnt get a negan/ gabriel update.

 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I record this so I can cut out the adverts, but after reading what everybody said about ep.1, I zipped through it in five minutes, I think I'll be doing that with ep.2 & maybe stop recording (& maybe look at season 1 again, it was the best one). The actual walking dead are now just background players, extras. I'm glad to see that despite no dentists & the cast repeatingly punching each other in the mouth, that they still have perfect Hollywood teeth.

...& I agree with everyone else, Negan & his nasty number one were out in the open for ages with Negan spouting off as usual, Rick & his bunch were armed to the teeth, all they had to do was shoot 'em, & no more war, the followers would have just disbanded, so why didn't they? It wasn't in the script.

 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

It got very Naked Gun. Also not knowing where they're attacking or the plan doesn't help the viewer. They're also rehashing again the whole killing people is sometimes wrong thing. Here's the notes I wrote to my mate as the episode chugged along.

Start is not moody it's just time wasting. It's not even stylish. Music is ok though.

Baddies camp. Everyone jn that courtyard should be dead or dying.

They've featured the gay husband for pretty much the first time. So he'll be dead.

Satellite place. Where did this come from? The previous place they were at seasons ago? We don't know the plans or the scale of the job.

Cement place. That ended without anything thrilling happening. King uses 25 words when 5 will do.

Bullets leave no marks on cars. Budgetry of course

You can't draw and fire an arrow twice that quickly to kill the two people

Weak whistle to people literally right behind her which was comical.

Woman baddie has run full width of courtyard twice.

Bullet hits now registering on car. Good stuff.

This is a naked gun style gunfight. None of the geography makes real sense, people are stood out in the open. Shouldn't the dead be zombying yet?

Is that a fake Maggie? Is she hear for a fake out later? Or just featured extra?

Hilariously the scared gunmen with Kung Fu Panda Morgan stop firing despite obviously seeing a half dozen people.

Baddie has Jesus and explains stuff. That went wrong quick. What did they think the one person would do when Megan set this plan up? Also if they knew to fake imprison a person shouldn't everyone else have been ready? This makes no sense.

Doesn't everyone in the corridor see this? They're ten feet away. The door was open but then was closed cos they needed just the three people in the room.

Why all this talking just kill him. Just kill him anyway. People are rising as zombies but it's not effecting anything apparently.

Are these tables made from titanium? How has this shoutout dragged on so much?

Urgency and pacing all killed with talk-filled stroll with the King. Awful dialogue. Just a terrible non-character who's just a gimmick.

They're chasing this guy so he won't tell anyone about the group? But there's fights going on in two other places already, soooo.....?

Cheap jump scare. Guy must have been in plain sight in an open room.

Morgan is now a terminator. Coooooool if you're ten. So what was the problem?

Dull morality stuff between girl and Jesus. Been done before.

Morgan now unhinged? Again? It's that easy? Oh Christ. This has been done before too.

Hahaha he killed the baby's dad. No guns. Rick cries.

"Save your munitions Carol". Spare me.

Fake Maggie shot. Supposed to care? I don't know who she is and somehow got herself shot due to incompetence.

How is this fight still going on? How've they fucked it up so badly? Gay husband shot. Unexpected.

Who is this guy who knows Rick? Morales? At least give us a flashback. Am I supposed to care? Be shocked? It's hard to recall even regular cast members. It's a nothing.

Rick once again utterly defeated. Useless. Fucking useless.

Ah the face montage again. Was Jesus supposed to be walking? He looked like he was walking on the spot. This is just time-wasting shit. Nice music.

 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

"....THE WALKING DEAD---Season 8's latest episode had 8.9 million viewers which is the lowest audience since a Season 2 episode which had 12.4 million viewers..."

i think it might be written by the walking dead.

 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I have still liked the last to episodes even though I've seen a few flaws. I think it will be an exciting season. If I hate everything about a show, I just stop watching it.

 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I'll probably give it one more episode (mostly I watch it as my friend watches it). It just seems easier and more jnteresting to write it better. Hey, where was Rick supposed to be? I couldn't figure it out.

 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Well? Ep 3?

 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Overall a great series, but I've had enough now & they're going to drag this Negan thing out forever, & I've stopped recording them. I have the first five seasons on Blu-ray, that'll do for me, & the best season was the first one, it really moved along.

 Posted:   Nov 8, 2017 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Well, what do you think, Bill?
Rameau, I think all of season 8 will be about getting to Negan and the saviors, so I doubt we will see his demise until the finale. I hope he dies in this season.

I liked the first 2 episodes, but this one was just okay for me. I didn't see much forward movement, and I felt places were fillers.

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