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 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Oh, and I'm up to Horns of Nimon now on my Tom marathon and I can't find my dvd of the story. I had fill my gap in my collection with Meglos quick as time seemed to be running out too. It's not like Nimon's a story anyone in their right mind would want to borrow!

Do you have "Shada" on home video?


I do indeed. Originally I was hoping to get the Australian edition as it has all the versions on it, without being the money fleecing steelbook edition, but in the end was desperate enough to simply want to see it so got the basic UK one. I saw it not too long ago so it won't be in my current run. I also missed out Genesis of the Daleks, because as much as I love it, I have overdosed on it over the years and didn't the other half could take yet another viewing, lol.

And now it's looking like I might have to miss Nimon out. Shame, because I was hoping to have a good laugh!

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2020 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The tragedy of Adric!

Well-written piece on what went wrong with Adric (hint: everything, but an interesting article anyway):

http://buzzymag.com/adric-doctor-who/

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

When we had a local group of the Doctor Who Appreciation Society in Sheffield, of which I was the leader for a time, we invited Matthew Waterhouse to one of our local group meetings whilst he was in the city appearing at the Crucible Theatre in a production of The Luck Child. This was soon after he left Doctor Who in the early 80s.

Very pleasant chap he was too. Meetings were held in a member's home and went to the pub afterwards as was our way and had a great evening. In fact I owe him a drink as I ran out of cash and he stumped up.

Oh, and he's a film music fan too. Big John Barry fan with all the Bond soundtracks.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Ever meet "noted" Dr Who fan Jan Vincent Rudzki? He provided numerous vintage Dr Who continuity and news coverage-type material for the dvd bonus features. He is also interviewed for the Deadly Assassin featurette, an episode he disliked.

Anytime my wife and I dislike something we've watched, we paraphrase the esteemed Mr. Rudzki ("It's Earth, it's human.").

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2020 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)


I do indeed. Originally I was hoping to get the Australian edition as it has all the versions on it, without being the money fleecing steelbook edition, but in the end was desperate enough to simply want to see it so got the basic UK one. I saw it not too long ago so it won't be in my current run. I also missed out Genesis of the Daleks, because as much as I love it, I have overdosed on it over the years and didn't the other half could take yet another viewing, lol.



Paul,

Any idea what's on the three discs?

I've seen copies listed, just want to know what's there, before I commit.

Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)


I do indeed. Originally I was hoping to get the Australian edition as it has all the versions on it, without being the money fleecing steelbook edition, but in the end was desperate enough to simply want to see it so got the basic UK one. I saw it not too long ago so it won't be in my current run. I also missed out Genesis of the Daleks, because as much as I love it, I have overdosed on it over the years and didn't the other half could take yet another viewing, lol.



Paul,

Any idea what's on the three discs?

I've seen copies listed, just want to know what's there, before I commit.

Thanks.


Just tried looking JJ, at three Amazons - US, UK and Australia and dvdcompare, and can't find any reference, but when I looked to buy ages ago, I'm sure the UK Steelbook three disc edition had both the original vhs Tom Baker to camera linked version and the Paul McGann webcast. These two substantial extras were included on the Australian regular edition as they didn't have the Steelbook.

Feeling the Steelbook thing is a rip-off, I looked into getting it from Oz, but their Amazon wouldn't deliver to the UK. I do have a friend in New Zealand but I ran out of steam in the end and just got the regular UK edition.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)


I do indeed. Originally I was hoping to get the Australian edition as it has all the versions on it, without being the money fleecing steelbook edition, but in the end was desperate enough to simply want to see it so got the basic UK one. I saw it not too long ago so it won't be in my current run. I also missed out Genesis of the Daleks, because as much as I love it, I have overdosed on it over the years and didn't the other half could take yet another viewing, lol.



Paul,

Any idea what's on the three discs?

I've seen copies listed, just want to know what's there, before I commit.

Thanks.


Just tried looking JJ, at three Amazons - US, UK and Australia and dvdcompare, and can't find any reference, but when I looked to buy ages ago, I'm sure the UK Steelbook three disc edition had both the original vhs Tom Baker to camera linked version and the Paul McGann webcast. These two substantial extras were included on the Australian regular edition as they didn't have the Steelbook.

Feeling the Steelbook thing is a rip-off, I looked into getting it from Oz, but their Amazon wouldn't deliver to the UK. I do have a friend in New Zealand but I ran out of steam in the end and just got the regular UK edition.



I have seen the Australian copy for sale on EBay, but the shipping costs are crazy.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Ever meet "noted" Dr Who fan Jan Vincent Rudzki? He provided numerous vintage Dr Who continuity and news coverage-type material for the dvd bonus features. He is also interviewed for the Deadly Assassin featurette, an episode he disliked.

Anytime my wife and I dislike something we've watched, we paraphrase the esteemed Mr. Rudzki ("It's Earth, it's human.").


No one? Not even paulhickling? wink

Here's a swell article in which your friend and yours, the Guardian, chronicle the history of hating Dr Who:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/feb/19/the-diehards-of-doom-why-doctor-who-is-the-show-fans-love-to-hate

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Sorry Jim. I totally forgot your question despite answering JJ's!

I started the convention going in 1980, the same time I joined the Doctor Who Appreciation Society, and attended a lot during the early half of that decade, and helped found the DWAS Sheffield Local Group. I met a number of the DWAS 'bigwigs', though didn't get to know many apart from Jeremy Bentham, who was a major part of early fandom and wrote the original archive pieces for Doctor Who Weekly. He hosted party weekends in Blackpool for the annual opening of the official exhibition there, and ran a regular fan made 'part work' release titled An Adventure in Time and Space chronicling the sixties era of the series.

I first met him when he was invited to one of our meetings, for which he brought us a video copy of Genesis of the Daleks (WOW!, rare then). With him was Sue Moore, who eventually ended up working on the designing for the McCoy era of the show. Jeremy was the only one I befriended particularly on a reasonably social level. Most of the rest I met mainly in passing and Jan Vincent Rudzki I'm sure was at events I went to but, I didn't actually meet him.

There were a bunch I met at the infamous Longleat 'Con' of 1993. Among them were David Richardson - last I heard he was involved with the Big Finish cds, Justin Richards who I believe wrote and/or edited at least one phase of the novels, and the late Craig Hinton. Add to that Andrew Pixley who now writes or is consulted on everything!, be it dvd notes, cd notes, articles, and all manner of research for tv etc as 'well known tv historian'. He and I are personal friends from our time in that local group, as well as co-creators of Time Screen 'the Magazine of British Telefantasy' (my idea/editor for the first two issues, his research and title). Sadly we haven't spoken since I told him on the phone what I thought of the female Doctor shortly after it was announced!

Have to chuckle at your term 'noted' fan. During the above period I was once described by a fellow fan writer as a 'fandom luminary'! "As you are a fandom luminary" he said, would I mind penning a little something for a zine he was producing for Fan Aid, Who fandom's own little attempt at helping the Band Aid cause for Ethiopia. I replied that I'd be delighted, but not being much of a writer never got around to it.

Yes, the Guardian article. I remember being horrified when I received my first mail-out from the DWAS. In the letters pages of their fanzine - Tardis - everyone was calling for Tom Baker to resign because of his clowning around. Couldn't believe it. I admit I walked out on The Horns of Nimon because of such stuff, but blamed the show not him! And before DWAS Tardis was started during the Hinchcliffe/Holmes period and sure enough they were slagging off the gothic horror stories of the day.

But my view of Chibnall is that he can't say anything about those of us criticising his handling of the show, when he went on live tv doing the same to the then producer and his writers in front of millions of viewers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkCe3owO7wY

Sorry about the life story there Jim, but you wanted a reply!

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Ever meet "noted" Dr Who fan Jan Vincent Rudzki? He provided numerous vintage Dr Who continuity and news coverage-type material for the dvd bonus features. He is also interviewed for the Deadly Assassin featurette, an episode he disliked.

Anytime my wife and I dislike something we've watched, we paraphrase the esteemed Mr. Rudzki ("It's Earth, it's human.").


I've never met any Who fan luminaries - or even any of the actors, even when they had a convention a mile down the road from me (with Colin Baker and Anneke Wills). I've just never fancied it.

If you're interested in hearing something recent with JVR, he was the guest on a recent Missing Episodes Podcast for Galaxy Four (which he had some involvement with in the 1970s).



 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)


But my view of Chibnall is that he can't say anything about those of us criticising his handling of the show, when he went on live tv doing the same to the then producer and his writers in front of millions of viewers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkCe3owO7wY



I remember that programme. It got my attention in-between reading issues of DWB

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thanks for sharing that story, Paul. It reinforces--and perhaps litefoot concurs-- my belief that fandom can at times take on an Animal Farm pecking order, and that is exactly what I don't want. I'm still "traumatized" by the one and only comic book con I attended five years ago. One witnesses base human nature entirely too much at such gatherings.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Thanks for sharing that story, Paul. It reinforces--and perhaps litefoot concurs-- my belief that fandom can at times take on an Animal Farm pecking order, and that is exactly what I don't want.

I do concur and it already has.

Not just amongst fandom, but also some poor behaviour by fans who work professionally on aspects of Doctor Who.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm saddened but not at all surprised, litefoot.

Speaking of Tom's last years on Dr Who, over the past two weeks I've been enthusiastically watching his 1980 (E-Space, Meglos, etc) episodes. The Paddy Kingsland scores and the era in general still fill me with the mixed emotions I've always had about them. However, at the same time, Kingsland's scores now evoke positive thoughts of the 1970s-early '80s New Age "space" music I've been obsessing over lately, so I'm enjoying Kingsland's scores more than I ever have.

Peter Howell did the then-new arrangement of the Dr Who theme? I've grown to love it.

Don't get me started on the post-Tom era!

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

I'm saddened but not at all surprised, litefoot.

Speaking of Tom's last years on Dr Who, over the past two weeks I've been enthusiastically watching his 1980 (E-Space, Meglos, etc) episodes. The Paddy Kingsland scores and the era in general still fill me with the mixed emotions I've always had about them. However, at the same time, Kingsland's scores now evoke positive thoughts of the 1970s-early '80s New Age "space" music I've been obsessing over lately, so I'm enjoying Kingsland's scores more than I ever have.

Peter Howell did the then-new arrangement of the Dr Who theme? I've grown to love it.

Don't get me started on the post-Tom era!


Paddy Kingsland's score for Logopolis is the best Who score IMO. It's all on YouTube in its entirety, too, thanks to the isolated score on the DVD.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 6:13 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Paddy Kingsland's score for Logopolis is the best Who score IMO. It's all on YouTube in its entirety, too, thanks to the isolated score on the DVD.

I don't recall much about the score, but I do recall the dot matrix printer! wink

I'm coming up to Tom's swan song soon and will give the score an extra-attentive listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2020 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

I'm saddened but not at all surprised, litefoot.

Speaking of Tom's last years on Dr Who, over the past two weeks I've been enthusiastically watching his 1980 (E-Space, Meglos, etc) episodes. The Paddy Kingsland scores and the era in general still fill me with the mixed emotions I've always had about them. However, at the same time, Kingsland's scores now evoke positive thoughts of the 1970s-early '80s New Age "space" music I've been obsessing over lately, so I'm enjoying Kingsland's scores more than I ever have.

Peter Howell did the then-new arrangement of the Dr Who theme? I've grown to love it.

Don't get me started on the post-Tom era!


Paddy Kingsland's score for Logopolis is the best Who score IMO. It's all on YouTube in its entirety, too, thanks to the isolated score on the DVD.


While I enjoyed the regeneration scoring up to the crashing in of the theme, I'd say both State of Decay and Mawdryn Undead are superior. Lots o dramatic stuff in SoD and MU has a very jaunty piece backing Turlough's messing around in the Brig's car, as well as some nice action cues later on, and of course the Brig's remembering old clips sequence.

Howell's theme is of course the second best version of Ron Grainer's theme. On the first day of The Leisure Hive I couldn't believe they'd done it. A case of being impressed and outraged at the same time! The Radiophonic Workshop's live performance of it is great, starting with Delia Derbyshire's original arrangement and morphing into Howell's really emphasises the punch of the latter one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc1YZwO0tDo Not bad here, though better when you're actually there.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2020 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Every time I'm nearing the end of a Tom Baker-era rewatch, I have these thoughts:

It's so depressing how amateurish Dr Who became with Adric, Nissa, and Tegan. Sure, Davison was a charisma-challenged--but still likable--Doctor from the start, but I'd rather he took on one assistant who could act and develop the chemistry from there. It's as though the show became a toddler's pantomime overnight, making the (mixed) efforts Christopher Bidmead attempted to bring into the series all for naught.

And why did Tegan have to always wear her flight attendant outfit? Romana(s) always changed her outfits, why couldn't Tegan?!?

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2020 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Watching The Leisure Hive bonus features. John Leeson mentions having taken a year off, so K-9’s voice was done by another actor. JNT asked Leeson to return to the role.

Why did Leeson step away for that year?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2020 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Watching The Leisure Hive bonus features. John Leeson mentions having taken a year off, so K-9’s voice was done by another actor. JNT asked Leeson to return to the role.

Why did Leeson step away for that year?


According to his Wiki entry he was "frustrated with the limitations of the character", and only came back for Season 18 on the promise that he would be written out.

Odd then that he came back for every appearance since! We're looking at:

1) K-9 and Company one -off spin-off (which would have gone to a series if a success),
2) The Five Doctors 20th anniversary special,
3) School Reunion, episode of new Doctor Who Series 2
4) Journey's End, episode of David Tennant's last proper series of Who,
5) a minor role in the Sarah Jane Adventures (I think his bum was stuck in a black hole or something..) series,
6) The whole series of the K9 spin-off and even
7) A Doctor Who themed episode of The Weakest Link quiz show.

So much for being frustrated!

But I too am about to start watching Tom's last season, having done a Tom trawl of my own in the past few months. Just wish I could lay my hands on my copy of The Horns of Nimon. Never thought I'd say that!, but I hate leaving this thing incomplete.

 
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