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 Posted:   Apr 9, 2020 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Destiny of the Daleks- another very bland episode I'm afraid. The Movellans though beautiful too look at, all you had to do was pull of their power pack. Somewhere along the way the missed what I thought could've lead to a reappearance or two. Kind of as these intelligent and thoughtful robots.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2020 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Destiny of the Daleks- another very bland episode I'm afraid. The Movellans though beautiful too look at, all you had to do was pull of their power pack. Somewhere along the way the missed what I thought could've lead to a reappearance or two. Kind of as these intelligent and thoughtful robots.

Lalla Ward is a nasty piece of work and a shite actress to boot, but I watch Destiny of the Daleks anyway because it has that wonderful Douglas Adams stamp on it. Tom Baker seemed inspired by Douglas' "vision", and his performances that season are all the better for it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2020 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Destiny of the Daleks- another very bland episode I'm afraid. The Movellans though beautiful too look at, all you had to do was pull of their power pack. Somewhere along the way the missed what I thought could've lead to a reappearance or two. Kind of as these intelligent and thoughtful robots.

Tom Baker seemed inspired by Douglas' "vision", and his performances that season are all the better for it.




I draw the line at The Horns of Nimon...LOL

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2020 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Destiny of the Daleks- another very bland episode I'm afraid. The Movellans though beautiful too look at, all you had to do was pull of their power pack. Somewhere along the way the missed what I thought could've lead to a reappearance or two. Kind of as these intelligent and thoughtful robots.

Tom Baker seemed inspired by Douglas' "vision", and his performances that season are all the better for it.




I draw the line at The Horns of Nimon...LOL


Greatest overacting in all of Who. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2020 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

I would have nominated Nightmare of Eden, but the saving grace is Jennifer Lonsdale, who I always thought would have made a good companion.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2020 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Destiny of the Daleks- another very bland episode I'm afraid. The Movellans though beautiful too look at, all you had to do was pull of their power pack. Somewhere along the way the missed what I thought could've lead to a reappearance or two. Kind of as these intelligent and thoughtful robots.

Lalla Ward is a nasty piece of work and a shite actress to boot, but I watch Destiny of the Daleks anyway because it has that wonderful Douglas Adams stamp on it. Tom Baker seemed inspired by Douglas' "vision", and his performances that season are all the better for it.


What makes you say she's a nasty piece of work? I admit I only met her for a quick autograph, but it was a small event where we were fairly up close for the Q&A session, on the day she seemed amiable enough. I can't say I think she's a poor actress. Even in that rubbish above she gave quite a spirited performance, and I reckon she has the edge on the other Romana (though I like the late Mary Tamm too) as far as characterisation goes.

But yes, Season 17 is where I actually stopped bothering watching for a very short while, and it was seeing the Nimon appear that did it. A serious contender for the worst story ever. I can take Tom's excesses actually, but not the general shoddiness of the productions. Having said that, when the Nimon were part of the Who exhibition in Madame Tussauds waxworks, it was a terrific exhibit roaring away. Every kid that passed jumped a mile!

Destiny of the Daleks is also rather tatty. Despite this it does have the great Roy Skelton doing some of his best Dalek voices and at his most Zippy-like! And again, Ward gives a great performance under the Dalek interrogation. The extras playing the various slaves however........

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2020 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

What makes you say she's a nasty piece of work? I admit I only met her for a quick autograph, but it was a small event where we were fairly up close for the Q&A session, on the day she seemed amiable enough. I can't say I think she's a poor actress. Even in that rubbish above she gave quite a spirited performance, and I reckon she has the edge on the other Romana (though I like the late Mary Tamm too) as far as characterisation goes.

Ward ruins every Dr Who DVD commentary in which she participates by routinely disparaging ex-husband Tom Baker. It adds an unwelcome awkwardness to the commentary. Anyone else stuck in the room with her has to let interminable moments pass before commenting on the actual episode or quickly changing the subject. It's nearly as unpleasant as a viewer to listen to her embittered "woman scorned" crap, so I don't listen to those commentaries very often.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2020 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

I'm really going to have to listen to those commentaries Jim. I do remember lots of people (cast members, crew) saying Tom was something of a tyrant to work with. Janet Fielding is quite honest with him I'm sure on the Logopolis commentary. Also on record is when both Tom AND Lalla were on set, and were having an ongoing domestic, and that really could be hairy. Seems to me she's fiery and he's well, Tom and...

Don't get me wrong, I often feel she's a haughty type. At the end of the day, they still want her participation don't they? Being fans they will put up with quite a bit of shit for the stars to be on there. And am I right they have done Big Finish audios where she's the Romana in the stories? Of course played at different times and put together on the mixing desk no doubt...

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2020 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm really going to have to listen to those commentaries Jim. I do remember lots of people (cast members, crew) saying Tom was something of a tyrant to work with. Janet Fielding is quite honest with him I'm sure on the Logopolis commentary. Also on record is when both Tom AND Lalla were on set, and were having an ongoing domestic, and that really could be hairy. Seems to me she's fiery and he's well, Tom and...

Don't get me wrong, I often feel she's a haughty type. At the end of the day, they still want her participation don't they? Being fans they will put up with quite a bit of shit for the stars to be on there. And am I right they have done Big Finish audios where she's the Romana in the stories? Of course played at different times and put together on the mixing desk no doubt...


I've also found the timing odd that Ward and her longtime husband, Richard Dawkins, divorced shortly after the latter's stroke.

Probably just a coincidence.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Think I'd agree with Saward: Revelation was his best one. Well rounded cast, and Molloy was good as the mad man. Oddly as mentioned, Baker isn't at the center of this story like the Doc is in nearly all stories.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2020 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Of the later classic era Doctors think I will go with Colin's performance in Trial as the standout. I'm not sure he was consistent like Davison was but with stick with that season as the marker.

Side note, LOL at some of these way OTT death scenes, especially by Dalek blaster (a la Resurrection). Hilarious! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2020 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Can we believe "The Leisure Hive" is 40 years old now?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Absolutely loved Leisure Hive on broadcast. The first episode was a mind blower. New titles, new theme arrangement (SACRILEGE!) and that new wonderful scoring from Peter Howell. Wasn't so keen on the new outfit for Tom. Producer John Nathan-Turner's misguided attempt to tone the actor down.

But there was a general improvement in creativity after the gutter level of the Nimon the season before.

Some great direction from Lovett Bickford who unfortunately went over budget, and therefore due to an unwritten rule, never worked on the show again.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Absolutely loved Leisure Hive on broadcast. The first episode was a mind blower. New titles, new theme arrangement (SACRILEGE!) and that new wonderful scoring from Peter Howell. Wasn't so keen on the new outfit for Tom. Producer John Nathan-Turner's misguided attempt to tone the actor down.

But there was a general improvement in creativity after the gutter level of the Nimon the season before.

Some great direction from Lovett Bickford who unfortunately went over budget, and therefore due to an unwritten rule, never worked on the show again.


Wasn't he the one who opted for single camera set up?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Absolutely loved Leisure Hive on broadcast. The first episode was a mind blower. New titles, new theme arrangement (SACRILEGE!) and that new wonderful scoring from Peter Howell. Wasn't so keen on the new outfit for Tom. Producer John Nathan-Turner's misguided attempt to tone the actor down.

But there was a general improvement in creativity after the gutter level of the Nimon the season before.

Some great direction from Lovett Bickford who unfortunately went over budget, and therefore due to an unwritten rule, never worked on the show again.


Wasn't he the one who opted for single camera set up?


Possibly. There are things at least in the opening episode that supports this.

However, Greame Harper directed The Caves of Androzani for Peter Davison's swansong. He was well known for getting down into the studio and among the cast etc., and until the reboot of 2005 his story looked like something else (ie. filmic). And both his work on Androzani and Roger Limb's music were reunited for Revelation of the Daleks for the last 'proper' season of Colin Baker. So Harper survived that unwritten rule. But he could have asked for the single camera thingy.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

But yes, Season 17 is where I actually stopped bothering watching for a very short while, and it was seeing the Nimon appear that did it. A serious contender for the worst story ever. I can take Tom's excesses actually, but not the general shoddiness of the productions. Having said that, when the Nimon were part of the Who exhibition in Madame Tussauds waxworks, it was a terrific exhibit roaring away. Every kid that passed jumped a mile!

The Power of Kroll has to be in contention. And the irony is Robert Holmes wrote it. Worse than Timelash. eek

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Some great direction from Lovett Bickford who unfortunately went over budget, and therefore due to an unwritten rule, never worked on the show again.

I love The Leisure Hive. The music is overwhelming and could be the soundtrack to an intergalactic madhouse.

I also admire the hell out of Paul Joyce, the director of "Warriors Gate." Joyce, with his dark glasses and fiery temperament comes across as an angry, bitter eccentric in his "Warriors Gate" interview.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Okay, How Many Nimons is the most fun we've had on Youtube in a while!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2020 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

But yes, Season 17 is where I actually stopped bothering watching for a very short while, and it was seeing the Nimon appear that did it. A serious contender for the worst story ever. I can take Tom's excesses actually, but not the general shoddiness of the productions. Having said that, when the Nimon were part of the Who exhibition in Madame Tussauds waxworks, it was a terrific exhibit roaring away. Every kid that passed jumped a mile!

The Power of Kroll has to be in contention. And the irony is Robert Holmes wrote it. Worse than Timelash. eek


You dryfoots are all the same!

Now you see I have to stick up for The Power of Kroll. MUCH better than Timelash. I've recently done a full Tom Baker Who viewing marathon (an episode or two per night just before bedtime) and was surprised at how much I enjoyed much of the Graham Williams period. And the only one I don't like in The Key to Time season is The Armageddon Factor, because it is SO boring and obvious to see the money had run out.

Kroll I liked. Like one or two others it does have some reasonably impressive night shooting. Kroll has a great guest cast, location filming and men painted green. What's not to like? Even the monster was better than I remembered. And we get to see The Doctor's hitherto unseen power of being able to scream like a banshee and shatter things! It's even intentionally funny. I will say that I cringed at the serial the time of broadcast though.

Oh, and I'm up to Horns of Nimon now on my Tom marathon and I can't find my dvd of the story. I had fill my gap in my collection with Meglos quick as time seemed to be running out too. It's not like Nimon's a story anyone in their right mind would want to borrow!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2020 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Oh, and I'm up to Horns of Nimon now on my Tom marathon and I can't find my dvd of the story. I had fill my gap in my collection with Meglos quick as time seemed to be running out too. It's not like Nimon's a story anyone in their right mind would want to borrow!

Do you have "Shada" on home video?

 
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