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 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

Don't exaggerate it, guys. The film Total Recall is not a masterpiece, so it is not a sin not to have seen it. However, it is one of the most simply entertaining movies I know. It epitomizes the term "Guilty Pleasure". It's simple, violent and funny.

The score, however, is everything else, but not simple and I have to admit that I'm also quite shocked that it never "clicked" with Yavar. But at least he appreciates Warlock, which is not fairly judged by many people, maybe because of the occasionally cheap sounding synths.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

It's not that I can't admire the score; it's just that I've never been able to connect with it emotionally -- that's what I meant by saying it "leaves me cold"...not that I think it's a poor composition or anything like that. Compositionally it's quite impressive indeed. But I can say that about a lot of pieces I'm not wild about.

But I do have significant hope that seeing the film will make me appreciate it much more. Growing up I was never a huge fan of Arnold, and I just never got around to it.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   Dimitrius Maximus   (Member)

Anybody else receive their copy yet? Ordered on the 18th, no shipping emails yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 8:36 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Anybody else receive their copy yet? Ordered on the 18th, no shipping emails yet.

I didn't order SMALL SOLDIERS, but am having the same problem with THE COWBOYS.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I think sometimes they ship without a notice. I've seen a few people online who have already received it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

Even though Yavar is SHOCKINGLY misguided when it comes to Total Recall, he nonetheless IS much better at talking about music than I am, so impossible to boot from the podcast at this point, I'm afraid.

As much as I would like to.

I'm sure I'll have plenty of Goldsmith opinions that will shock people at points in the podcast. The stuff I rank as the "best" Goldsmith isn't what most people would put at the top of their lists, I'll say.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   simon377   (Member)

It's not that I can't admire the score; it's just that I've never been able to connect with it emotionally -- that's what I meant by saying it "leaves me cold"...not that I think it's a poor composition or anything like that. Compositionally it's quite impressive indeed. But I can say that about a lot of pieces I'm not wild about.

See for me it is just so much fun, probably because the film is so much fun. Also, it is one of the earliest Goldsmith scores I discovered back in the '90s. Damn, now I want to listen to it again. (Small compensation as I won't be able to pick up Small Soldiers until later in the year - damn international shipping!)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   simon377   (Member)

Even though Yavar is SHOCKINGLY misguided when it comes to Total Recall, he nonetheless IS much better at talking about music than I am, so impossible to boot from the podcast at this point, I'm afraid.

As much as I would like to.

I'm sure I'll have plenty of Goldsmith opinions that will shock people at points in the podcast. The stuff I rank as the "best" Goldsmith isn't what most people would put at the top of their lists, I'll say.


I look forward to hearing these opinions Jens. I am a happy galley slave on this odyssey.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2018 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

I look forward to hearing these opinions Jens. I am a happy galley slave on this odyssey.

Spoiler: Total Recall is Highest Tier Legendary Goldsmith. So is The 'burbs.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Total Recall was the first CD I had ever bought.

Just sayin'…

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   simon377   (Member)

Spoiler: Total Recall is Highest Tier Legendary Goldsmith. So is The 'burbs.

Agreed

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I agee with Yavar and I've seen TOTAL RECALL many times and I enjoy the film.
It's a good action score for sure, but I find any number of earlier efforts by Goldsmith to be more interesting and exciting to my ears.
Whereas any random action sequence in films like TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING, CAPRICORN ONE, CASSANDRA CROSSING, BOYS FROM BRAZIL, FIRST BLOOD or LOGAN'S RUN (just to pick a random sample) would blow my mind with their intricacies and harmonic details, I find the action bits in TOTAL RECALL sound more programmed and controlled throughout.
There's a uniformity to them that take away that WTF aspect of his earlier action writing.
I know it's been noted that this film was a turning point in his handling of writing complex action material and I just find it less interesting than any number of other scores by him in this area.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Spoiler: Total Recall is Highest Tier Legendary Goldsmith. So is The 'burbs.



What?! Other than the Mutant cue the entire score is the sound of drumsticks banging on steel oil drums.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I agree with Yavar and I've seen TOTAL RECALL many times and I enjoy the film.

Hurray! TWO OF US. big grin

Whereas any random action sequence in films like TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING, CAPRICORN ONE, CASSANDRA CROSSING, BOYS FROM BRAZIL, FIRST BLOOD or LOGAN'S RUN (just to pick a random sample) would blow my mind with their intricacies and harmonic details, I find the action bits in TOTAL RECALL sound more programmed and controlled throughout.

Aside from there not being any standout thematic material in this score (IMO), THIS is indeed the reason I think I fail to connect with it...lack of surprise and spontaneity which I often get in Goldsmith. Somehow Warlock (or Star Trek V) from a year before manages that much more, IMO. Total Recall is almost *too* slick and perfect, *too* smooth.

There's a uniformity to them that take away that WTF aspect of his earlier action writing.
I know it's been noted that this film was a turning point in his handling of writing complex action material and I just find it less interesting than any number of other scores by him in this area.


Yeah people say this all the time and I don't buy it that Goldsmith "dumbed down" his action style as a result of the mix burying his complex work on Total Recall. Go listen to his work on The Shadow from the mid-90s (also a very complex soundscape sort of action score like TR...only with multiple great and developed themes! wink ). Or listen to the best action cues from The Mummy and tell me those are lacking the complexity of pre-90s Goldsmith. Or hell, how about LOONEY TUNES? The action cues in that are quite complex, engaging, and surprising. Somehow all of those excite me many degrees of magnitude more than Total Recall.

And to bring this back to the thread topic, the themes and action music in Small Soldiers (particularly in complete form) engage me much more than Total Recall as well. This is a GREAT new expansion, and if the "Fire in the Hole" cue sample on Varese's site doesn't sell you on getting this I give up. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Almost all his work for Dante was quite good, some more listenable than others. I put his Explorers, Innerspace and Twilight Zone work on the top end. Matinee is quite a piece of joy though, there is a innocence and nostalgia he pulls off, really quite good. Total Recall is a magnificent score, and it and the film are both blistering experiences, as they were designed to be. Now the moments that you feel like popping in the expanded Total Recall and listening start to end, might not be as many as those Dante titles.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Does anybody know why "The Assembly Line" is minute shorter than the original release? I hope they haven't detached the second half of the cue, intro of Alan on his bicycle ("Alan's Town"?) because it's joined in the film!

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Does anybody know why "The Assembly Line" is minute shorter than the original release? I hope they haven't detached the second half of the cue, intro of Alan on his bicycle ("Alan's Town"?) because it's joined in the film!


Actually I hope they did! I’ve always wanted those to be separated.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Now the moments that you feel like popping in the expanded Total Recall and listening start to end, might not be as many as those Dante titles.

Correct. smile The only Dante score I wouldn't rather listen to than Total Recall is the Amazing Stories score "Boo!"...for some reason Jerry's work on that was surprisingly underwhelming to me. And...I guess I have to be in the right mood to prefer listening to Gremlins over Total Recall, because some of the synths in the former I find fairly abrasive and dated (whereas the synths in Total Recall aren't abrasive at all...in fact they're a little too soothing! zzzz...) But Gremlins still holds my attention more, I gotta say.

For me the ranking of Dante/Goldsmith is:
1. The 'Burbs
2. Looney Tunes: Back in Action (can't wait for folks to reassess this one after a Deluxe Edition comes out)
3. Small Soldiers (I'm not 100% sure yet about it staying this high on my list, but this fantastic expansion really has improved my appreciation for this score)
4. Twilight Zone: The Movie (albeit only one segment was directed by Dante, "It's a Good Life"...and if I limit my ranking to that single segment I guess I should put it lower)
5. Gremlins 2
6. Explorers
7. Innerspace
8. Matinee (very underrated and lovely to be honest, just because it's not as "in your face" as the other Dante scores)
9. Gremlins
10. "Boo!" from Amazing Stories

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Actually I hope they did! I’ve always wanted those to be separated.

Why? The two cues play seamlessly together as one musical statement - with "Alan's Town" returning to the assembly theme at its close. They were clearly designed to be joined (To the point where I reasonably assumed they were a single piece of music)

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2018 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Actually I hope they did! I’ve always wanted those to be separated.

Why? The two cues play seamlessly together as one musical statement - with "Alan's Town" returning to the assembly theme at its close. They were clearly designed to be joined (To the point where I reasonably assumed they were a single piece of music)


There’s a deleted scene that immediately followed the Main Title that Goldsmith scored. So the Alan’s Town part is a different cue they joined editorially after the other scene was cut.

 
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