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 Posted:   Dec 23, 2009 - 10:47 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

Well I listened to it and I gotta say great job La-La Land. I had a certain version of the score with less than stellar sound and not complete. So this was a very nice surprise. The sound quality is phenomenal and the score was better than I remembered.

Hopefully some day now that a complete score for The Fugitive has been released the complete score for U.S. Marshals will see the light of day. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2009 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

does anyone know why there wasn't a nod to any of Rugolo's FUGITIVE TV themes in the movie? I mean every STAR TREK film has had the Courage fanfare...and even the last HULK film used "The Lonely Man" TV theme.

Charles, James gets quoted in the liner notes saying that they didn't discuss using the television series theme(s). He does say that the tv series music had an out-of-breath and a film-noirish quality, and a kind of sadness for the Kimble character that influenced his writing for the picture.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2009 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

When I have received my copy I'll let you know. wink


Me Too

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2009 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   Misanthropic Tendencies   (Member)

Well I listened to it and I gotta say great job La-La Land. I had a certain version of the score with less than stellar sound and not complete. So this was a very nice surprise. The sound quality is phenomenal and the score was better than I remembered.

Hopefully some day now that a complete score for The Fugitive has been released the complete score for U.S. Marshals will see the light of day. smile


I still can't sit through it, managed some of the first disc only so far.

As for US Marshals, one of the most trite, stale scores Goldsmith ever wrote. But I'd probably end up buying an expanded album!!!!

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2009 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   MD   (Member)

Well I listened to it and I gotta say great job La-La Land. I had a certain version of the score with less than stellar sound and not complete. So this was a very nice surprise. The sound quality is phenomenal and the score was better than I remembered.

Hopefully some day now that a complete score for The Fugitive has been released the complete score for U.S. Marshals will see the light of day. smile


I still can't sit through it, managed some of the first disc only so far.

As for US Marshals, one of the most trite, stale scores Goldsmith ever wrote. But I'd probably end up buying an expanded album!!!!


US Marshals expanded - great idea. There are missing some great action cues. I like this Goldsmith score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2010 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

How does Goldsmith's score to the sequel compare to this?
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Have to say 'US Marshals' has a wonderful end title by Goldsmith that was, sadly, not included on the cd.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2010 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   Mike W   (Member)

Not like it's a huge distraction, but there's an extremely brief but bizarre mastering (?) defect @ 0:48 into "The Montage" in that there seems to be some kind of flutter in the tape. It last only a beat, but it's there - most noticeable in the manner in which the hi-hat ever so briefly speeds up then slows down. I'm guessing it was introduced during the mastering stage because it's not present in the other version of that cue "Kimble Dyes his Hair (Original)" @ 2:07.

Curious if anyone else notices this.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Nicola   (Member)

So, what did you think?

smile

MV


Well, I started listening to this score yesterday and I think the sound quality is just great, excellent. Out of discussion that I like the film and its music.

BUT after played the track n. 3 “The Bus” (an important and spectacular point on the movie) I was very angry because I heard a big CLICK between 4:47 and 4:48… frown

Now let me say that the mentioned types of defect really tick me off: first because simply I hate hearing “clicks”… and because I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE THERE!!! These are not LPs! And if someone can call “minor” problems like the mentioned, they are not “minor” for a professional label…

Dear Mr. MV, what’ s happening? Intrada CDs are studded by digital click (Back to the Future included); same story about Matrix Deluxe by Varese Sarabande; and now the Fugitive by La La Land too. I am so sad… frown frown frown

The next week I will buy immediately a copy of The Flash 2CD – by the way thanks a lot for releasing it BUT: do I have to aspect digital clicks on this new score too, or did someone check the release carefully before pressing 3000 copies?

Thank you very much for your attention,
all the best.


Nicola

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

Not like it's a huge distraction, but there's an extremely brief but bizarre mastering (?) defect @ 0:48 into "The Montage" in that there seems to be some kind of flutter in the tape. It last only a beat, but it's there - most noticeable in the manner in which the hi-hat ever so briefly speeds up then slows down. I'm guessing it was introduced during the mastering stage because it's not present in the other version of that cue "Kimble Dyes his Hair (Original)" @ 2:07.

Curious if anyone else notices this.


I HEar it in kimble dyes his hair original album edit but it is not that clear - probbably tape hiss or synth or orchestra personal or something other

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I love US Marshals and there is plenty of great unreleased stuff to warrant an expanded release.

As for clicks and stuff - I can't hear any. I think you guys are dwelling over little imperfections rather than enjoying these great releases.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I actually don't hear either glitch in my copy. Are you listening to a version you ripped to your computer? If so, that's probably your problem.

There are a number of issues that have been bugging me about this set, and I'm surprised they haven't really come up considering the number of people here who've purchased it.

The Fugitive is one of my "Holy Grails" (hate saying this, but this is my most-bootlegged title, having about 5 different versions of it), but this La-La-Land set was made with equal parts love and carelessness.

- First of all, the bootleg-looking artwork. Guys, seriously reconsider using Fein as your designer. The words LIMITED EDITION look like one of those Concorde bootlegs from back in the day.

- There are a number of tracks that were featured on the album that are not denoted. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the majority of the cues on this LLL release are combined (yes, I'm complaining about this again), so they could've gotten "lost" in their own album.

- Related to combining cues, I'm of two minds. For instance, the Concord (not to be confused with the bootlegger Concorde) release of the Indiana Jones scores was amazing, but the way Williams recorded the score, it was clear (judging by most of the new cues' "non-endings") that the intention was to have them merged. In that case, combining cues would've been helpful, but according to them, they had to preserve the original album (which doesn't make complete sense at times, but I digress). The other side of this is combining cues because "that's what it's like in the movie." We can all agree that the "Ultimate Edition" of The Phantom Menace was a huge mistake, right? Unless the track is 9 seconds long, I don't think that it should be combined with another cue. If it was written as a standalone piece of music (and not meant to be merged like the Williams Indy material), it should be a standalone piece of music. In LLL's Fugitive, tracks are sometimes merged to make them at odds with each other. I'm thinking about "The Dream/Kimble Dyes His Hair," where the two tracks couldn't be more different, and "The Montage/Cops Bust The Boys/Computer Search," where the latter third of the track just doesn't need to be in the index at all.

- There's a note in there about being able to "recreate the original album sequence," which is just blatantly false, unless it means, "recreate the original album by fast-forwarding 3 minutes of other music, and then putting up with crossfades that go 10 seconds into an original album cue, as if it's America's Top 40."

- The "Helicopter Chase" cue on the LLL edition is the Elektra album version (which is comprised of two cues: "Helicopter Chase" and "The Hand" - it's the "Copeland...be good" music). In Jeff Bond's notes, he writes that this section of the cue was "dialed out in the final film" but the music he's talking about appears two tracks earlier on the album (Granted, he might not've heard the final edition, but the music is literally 10 minutes earlier in the score)!

- Someone else mentioned a missing cue (the ID photo montage), but I honestly didn't notice that until he mentioned it.

- Alternates labeled incorrectly in the notes or on the packaging:

D2T12. No Press (Alternate) is actually No Press (No Sax).

D2T13. No Press (No Sax) is actually Kimble Dyes His Hair (No Sax). Is no one double checking this?

D2T14. Cops Bust The Boys (Alternate) - In the notes, Bond says he's not sure which bust this cue is referring to, even though it sounds almost exactly the same as the cue in the film, also titled "Cops Bust The Boys." He guesses that it's an alternate for the "Copeland Bust."

D2T16. Roof Fight Pt. 1 (Less Percussion) - I can't hear any difference at all, even though the notes suggest that it is "a less heavy duty version" of the cue as it appears in the film? What? Reading through the track analysis, it's hard to imagine that this was written by the same Jeff Bond who writes such great notes for the FSM titles (especially that Twilight Zone: The Movie set). Jeff, what the hell happened, man?

All of the space used for the "alternates" and the demo (which is honestly not interesting enough to warrant release) could've been used to put the ACTUAL (corrected) Elektra album tracks that were buried on the LLL version (like "Subway Fight," "Stairway Chase," "Sykes' Apt" and "It's Over").

After listening to the entire set and reading through the notes, while I still love this score and am extremely glad it's out there, I had to come to the following conclusions:

1. This was put together by people who clearly don't know this score well.
2. They aren't spending enough time with the package as a whole, because the whole thing looks like it was never proofread or scrutinized in any way before putting it out.
3. Whatever label is releasing FALLING DOWN, please don't combine cues, especially the action stuff at the end.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Yeah, it's weird that they included the Helicopter Chase version that goes into the train aftermath scene. I'd like to have had the actual film version.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Well I take responsibility for any errors in the notes. It was a LOT of music to go through in a limited time and as I recall there were some things that were switched late in the game. I appreciate Shaun's corrections and additional information.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Thanks for not yelling at me, Jeff. Part of my criticism of the set is that they're coming so fast and furious that I don't think enough "quality assurance" time is given to each release.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2010 - 7:07 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I don't know all the details and I won't speak for Mike or anyone else. But just from talking and meeting with these people and seeing what everyone at the labels deals with, it's a very complicated and sometimes ugly process between tracking down the elements, going through the paperwork (which is mostly, but not always, completely accurate), pleasing various people at the studio and getting their approvals, dealing with or not dealing with the composer for whatever reason, and doing it in a reasonable amount of time. For myself, for the immediate future I'm actually doing this job full time so I will have a somewhat larger portion of my brain and energy to devote to the process and that will hopefully make my end of it a little better.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2010 - 2:35 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Thanks for pointing out the discrepancies Shaun, but I still think they did a great job in presenting the score as is, the sound quality is great and yes the liner notes and graphic side could've been improved. And with that much music the booklet almost reads like a manual. But I'll take this booklet over the one from the original release anytime. That one just showed some crappy artwork spread over a couple of pages that could've been filled with anything related to the score.

I made my own suite of the score anyway as I find it hard to listen to 2 cd's worth of material in one run.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2010 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I love this too and have listened to it almost constantly since I first received it, but I just wanted to point out those few-ish things that really put a blemish on the presentation.

Re: combining cues: I can understand Dan's point to an extent about wanting to make it an "album," but Elektra already had their chance to do that in 1993. Nobody is going to win a Grammy for these limited edition CDs, so I don't think you need to make an album of suites.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2010 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Combining cues on soundtrack albums drives me up a wall. It should never be done. I don't care if the CD has 75 tracks on it -- it just shouldn't happen.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2010 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

One more thing to remember, though--sometimes the presentation is part of the agreement with the studio, and sometimes labels are charged PER CUE when the cue titles are ID'd on the CD package, which means it can cost way more money to break up and identify every cue. So while it's reasonable to keep an eye out for inaccuracies and mistakes we should be aware that often albums are put together the way they are because details are dictated by the agreement with the studio and the label's budget.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2010 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Combining cues on soundtrack albums drives me up a wall. It should never be done. I don't care if the CD has 75 tracks on it -- it just shouldn't happen.

Hmm. In this case it really is the little things that get to me! I would much rather have cue combined if they flow into each other. I prefer lengthier pieces, as a general thing, to itty bitty cues.

 
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