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 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

By the way, the following text is misleading:

"This release is MQA encoded. Listeners with an MQA decoder can enjoy this album in high resolution, up to 176.4 kHz/24-bit, from these Compact Discs. For more information please visit https://www.mqa.co.uk/."

You cannot get that out of a 16bit / 44.1kHz CD. I am surprised that LalaLand who claims to invest in proper audio restoration process fell for this nonsense.


You don't seriously think they created the hi-res download by ripping their own CD, do you?

They probably transferred the original analogue tapes hi-res, mastered in hi-res, used that hi-res master for the digital copy, and then downsampled it for CD.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   A. A. Ron   (Member)

For those with the right equipment, this is one of LLL’s first high-ish resolution CDs. For those of us who rip our discs, it’s LLL’s first 13-bit CD. I would have preferred normal 16-bit lossless, but I guess a new Goldsmith album is a new Goldsmith album, even if it’s misguidedly encoded.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   rompolompo   (Member)

By the way, the following text is misleading:

"This release is MQA encoded. Listeners with an MQA decoder can enjoy this album in high resolution, up to 176.4 kHz/24-bit, from these Compact Discs. For more information please visit https://www.mqa.co.uk/."

You cannot get that out of a 16bit / 44.1kHz CD. I am surprised that LalaLand who claims to invest in proper audio restoration process fell for this nonsense.


You don't seriously think they created the hi-res download by ripping their own CD, do you?

They probably transferred the original analogue tapes hi-res, mastered in hi-res, used that hi-res master for the digital copy, and then downsampled it for CD.

Cheers


You missed my point. For those who do not own a MQA capable gear, they get less than CD quality. For those who do own MQA capable gear, they are to believe that they get 24bit / 176.4kHz which is in fact not true.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Summer 1978 was really cooking for Goldsmith.

CAPRICORN ONE and DAMIEN OMEN II were in Theaters in June, THE SWARM started playing in July and I remember buying all 3 Soundtrack LPs at my local Tower Record Store as soon as they hit the shelves.

1978 continued awesomely with more great scores from Jerry including THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL arriving in theaters in October and MAGIC following soon in November. Of course I grabbed the LP for BOYS FROM BRAZIL, but we all know how long we had to wait to eventually get the maestro's superb MAGIC into our grubby paws.

COMA was the first score in 1978 to arrive from Goldsmith for the film's February Release.

Every year back in the good old days seemed to be packed with a multitude of new and exciting Goldsmith Film Scores and how lucky we were to get most of them released on Soundtracks.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

From what I know (which I admit is little), MQA on Redbook CD can give you a higher kHz rate, not a higher bit depth, but still... it's a higher sample rate.
Regardless, I have no experience yet with MQA files, so it would be interesting. My T+A receiver should be up to it. Maybe there is no discernible difference for THE SWARM, I'm not expecting one, but I'd be interested in trying out the format.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Can I pop in and say this release is the bee's knees?

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Sure, you can add to the positive buzz!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Okay. i just watched this on TCM this weekend. What a howling trainwreck of a film.

I'm in on getting the score. Thanks again, LLL.

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Ok. I'm done being a buzz kill.

We'll see. :-)


Well, Nicolai, I would go on, but you'd just have to get in the last word anyway.

Oh who am I kidding, I can't resist sharing one more counterpoint: Is too!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Would have been funny if several time collaborating director with Goldsmith, "Buzz" Kulik would have directed the movie.

The pair worked together on:

SHAMUS
WARNING SHOT

and the TV-Movies BABE and CRAWLSPACE.

Also episodes of PLAYHOUSE 90 and "The Fatalist" Episode of HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I suspect that Stirling Silliphant likely when reading the original novel, realized it was so complex and tech-oriented (you get nothing but a lot of scenes of scientists yakking and scientific textbook stuff explaining the behavior of the bees) that all he did was cherry-pick a few items (the picnic attack on a family in a town called Maryville, Henry Fonda's death scene where he injects himself with a would-be antidote and watches the results) and then just do a silly 50s sci-fi "B" movie approach in the tradition of "Them". Combine that with Allen's awful directing and some terrible performances (especially Caine and Ross) and it's no wonder the film ended up so bad.

Placed my order for the score right away and already got a ship notice!

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Nice they put out the LP version. It was really good.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 7:26 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

When will the 3-LP edition (on yellow & black vinyl) be ready for pre-order?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Produced by Bruce Botnick and Neil S. Bulk and entirely re-mixed and mastered in high resolution by Botnick from first generation ½’’ analog studio vault elements, this special release is limited to 3000 units and features exclusive, in depth liner notes by “The Fantasy Film Worlds of Irwin Allen” author Jeff Bond and stingingly sharp art direction by Dan Goldwasser.


So … Chris Malone wasn't involved in any of this restoration?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


3. The Black Mass 2:33


Why does The Swarm contain a cue from The Omen?

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 11:19 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Ok. I'm done being a buzz kill.

We'll see. :-)


Well, Nicolai, I would go on, but you'd just have to get in the last word anyway.

Oh who am I kidding, I can't resist sharing one more counterpoint: Is too!


See? Told you so. smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2020 - 11:59 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • This was on television just the other night.

  • Yes it was, on TCM. And I had the fortune of laughing my ass off during most of the movie. I saw it as a kid on it's initial run and enjoyed it. Now, I enjoyed it on a on a MST3K level.

    Yes, I love the movie, it's a hoot! I always say it's the funniest Abrahams/Zucker/Abrahams movie that was not actually done by them. From beginning to end pure joy.


    I saw it then as well, and was astounded by the sheer inanity involved. It was like the anti-christ of Michael Crichton. Just so much wrong...

    The bees show up out of nowhere at the nuclear plant, like a transporter accident... wink

    The train crash, as if The Cassandra Crossing wasn't goofy enough! I'm surprised it wasn't stock footage... big grin

    The 3D-but-not-3D bee hallucination coming at us from My Cocaine's eye reflection... embarrassment

    The computer readouts ALONE... eek

    And the climactic capper, My Cocaine gets to the beach after planting the queen bee decoys, orders ONE MEASLY MISSILE LAUNCHER to fire (I guess the US Army took a gander at the script and said "sure you can have a missile launcher, Allen, but you'll have to go broke), blows up all of beedom (lucky for humanity there were no strays in a swarm), the principals hug while bathed in not-nuclear firelight, and END CREDITS. That's it. No denouement. No epilogue. Just Allen screaming "ah enough of this shuyte".


    The real tragedy was the waste of starpower involved and the savagely low mix of Goldsmith's score. I wanted to jam out to it, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Couldn't even do that. mad

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     Posted:   Mar 4, 2020 - 1:29 AM   
     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

    This was on television just the other night.

  • Yes it was, on TCM. And I had the fortune of laughing my ass off during most of the movie. I saw it as a kid on it's initial run and enjoyed it. Now, I enjoyed it on a on a MST3K level.

    Yes, I love the movie, it's a hoot! I always say it's the funniest Abrahams/Zucker/Abrahams movie that was not actually done by them. From beginning to end pure joy.

    I saw it then as well, and was astounded by the sheer inanity involved. It was like the anti-christ of Michael Crichton. Just so much wrong...

    The bees show up out of nowhere at the nuclear plant, like a transporter accident... wink


    Yes, and for unfathomable reasons, not only do the bees show up at the nuclear power plant, but they blow it UP!

    Original dialog:
    "Billions of dollars have been spent to make these nuclear plants safe... fail-safe. The odds against anything going wrong are astronomical, Doctor.”

    “I appreciate that, Doctor. But let me ask you: in all your fail-safe techniques, is there any provision against an attack by killer bees?”


    And BOOOM. I mean, what were they thinking? They spent billions of dollars on "fail safe" nuclear power plants and cannot even close the windows? And how "fail safe" is a nuclear power plant if the slightest disruption causes it to explode? I mean, yeah, people get stung by bees, but why does that mean the power plant has to explode right away? How fail safe is that? WTF happened?

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     Posted:   Mar 4, 2020 - 2:15 AM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • And we have to start redefining what we mean by cheesy.

    That's the understatement of the millennium.

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     Posted:   Mar 4, 2020 - 2:17 AM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

    [LI]Yes, and for unfathomable reasons, not only do the bees show up at the nuclear power plant, but they blow it UP!

    Original dialog:
    "Billions of dollars have been spent to make these nuclear plants safe... fail-safe. The odds against anything going wrong are astronomical, Doctor.”

    “I appreciate that, Doctor. But let me ask you: in all your fail-safe techniques, is there any provision against an attack by killer bees?”


    And BOOOM. I mean, what were they thinking? They spent billions of dollars on "fail safe" nuclear power plants and cannot even close the windows? And how "fail safe" is a nuclear power plant if the slightest disruption causes it to explode? I mean, yeah, people get stung by bees, but why does that mean the power plant has to explode right away? How fail safe is that? WTF happened?


    I... I... I just... I.... THERE IS NO SANCTUARY...

    *blows up*

    It looked like Richard Chamberlain may have collapsed on some self destruct button or something before that glorious freeze frame... I.... I can't. Please don't make me explain this. It hurts.

     
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