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 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Possible Good News!

I seem to remember when working at Universal on AMISTAD that the MUSIC LIBRARY was located downstairs and underground from the Commissary. I remember I tried to get in during a lunch break.

The commissary is very close to the Main Gate and nowhere near this fire.

So I think there may not be anything to worry about.


Zoob

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

I hope you're right, Zoobster. As others have said, there's no point in stressing until we KNOW what has been lost. Speculation just does everyone's head in.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 2:35 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

If this is true - IF - then it's a very big deal indeed. We know how tight-fisted Universal is about releasing its session masters and we know what amazing in-roads Intrada has made to put out album masters now owned by UMG. To not have those glorious sounding CDs of Jaws 3-D, The Last Valley, Monsignor, Buck Rogers or The Hindenberg is a horrific thought.

I'm afraid the "it's okay because we can always master from the LPs" argument holds no water whatsoever since we all know that MCA LPs were amongst the worst sounding LPs of all time! To hear these CDs restored from master elements has been a revelation.

But I agree, let's wait and see what's damaged and what isn't.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   observant observer   (Member)

Perhaps this could be my youthful ignorance (or a major lack of coffee and knowledge this morning) but seeming that we are now in the 'digital age' why have'nt film studios digitised masters of their film and audio catalogues...surely it is safer to have digital copies of all masters that can be spread and backed up over multiple servers than being left on a single or multiple media that can be burned...

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

I still have the hope that there may be tapes in international distribution if we're talking about more popular titles (the Crosby titles, for instance). Any alternate takes may be lost, however.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

But this would be include the LP masters to UMG labels like Decca (Cowboy by Duning?), ABC (Gold by Elmer?), 20th Century Fox (old Malcolm Arnold titles), things like that.

frown What does this mean for all those long OOP Williams titles like Jaws 2, Dracula and Earthquake? Maybe varese still has masters? But I imagine they'd gone back to universal?


If a title has already been released on CD then I don't think there's a problem - just do a digital dubb from the CD. Who'd know the difference. Once it's been digitally remastered, & the CD sold to the big wide world, then it's impossible to lose. Which is all too much trouble for these very big multi-national companies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Firstly, lets hope no scores were lost and secondly, lets hope no people were killed.

Call me crazy, but I'd put those two the other way round. In the vast scheme of things, scores are a hell of a lot less important than people. If it was a choice between losing a loved one and losing the Spartacus masters - you couldn't blink in the time it would take me to torch the tapes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

Only the video dept has been affected. As far as I can tell from news reports, it could've been a lot worse.

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Richard I was of course kidding. I did hear a few firefighters did get hurt, so lets wish they a quick and speedy recovery!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

It seems there's still no confirmation of the dire predictions regarding music masters posted in the OP...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/02/national/main4144069.shtml

This time around, thousands of videos chronicling Universal's movie and TV shows were destroyed in the blaze.

But Universal officials said that they were thankful no one was seriously injured at the theme park and that the damaged footage can be replaced.

"We have duplicates of everything," said NBC Universal President and Chief Operating Officer Ron Meyer. "Nothing is lost forever."

Meyer estimated there were 40,000 to 50,000 videos and reels in a video vault that burned but said duplicates were stored in a different location. Firefighters managed to recover hundreds of titles.

The videos included every film that Universal has produced and footage from television series including "Miami Vice" and "I Love Lucy."

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The one part of that report that isn't correct is that "I Love Lucy" wouldn't be stored in any vault at Universal since they had nothing to do with the making of the show.

I still wish they'd clarify if the point about "duplicates" refers to other video transfers like those that were lost or whether they just mean the undamaged negatives.

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

Possible Good News!

I seem to remember when working at Universal on AMISTAD that the MUSIC LIBRARY was located downstairs and underground from the Commissary. I remember I tried to get in during a lunch break.

The commissary is very close to the Main Gate and nowhere near this fire.

So I think there may not be anything to worry about.


Zoob


My understanding is that this isn't the Universal Music library but the Universal Music Group (The record label) that is in question.

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

Perhaps this could be my youthful ignorance (or a major lack of coffee and knowledge this morning) but seeming that we are now in the 'digital age' why have'nt film studios digitised masters of their film and audio catalogues...surely it is safer to have digital copies of all masters that can be spread and backed up over multiple servers than being left on a single or multiple media that can be burned...

Because it would cost a lot of money and unless there is some way to make a profit, this year or this quarter, they are very unlikely to piss the money away.

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

Because it would cost a lot of money and unless there is some way to make a profit, this year or this quarter, they are very unlikely to piss the money away.

To me it's just another proof that the music industry has a lot to learn! With decreasing sales downmarket, one would assume that they'd try to carefully preserve the material in their vaults to make profit on niche markets.

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

So much for the rumor that panicked so many at this board. Much as I never like to find myself on the same side as Ford, when he's right he's right.

MASTERS NOT DESTROYED BY UNIVERSAL FIRE: Reports that this weekend’s fire on the Universal Studios back lot destroyed a video vault which housed thousands of original Decca, MCA and ABC recording masters, including a wide range of music from Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters to Judy Garland and the Carpenters, are unfounded. A UMG spokesperson insists: "Thankfully, there was little lost from UMG's vault. A majority of what was formerly stored there was moved earlier this year to our other facilities. Of the small amount that was still there and waiting to be moved, it had already been digitized so the music will still be around for many years to come. And in addition to being digitized, physical back-up copies of what was still left at that location were made and stored elsewhere." (6/2a)

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

Time to smile again wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   cirtap   (Member)

CALM DOWN SISSIES!!! ALL ur rumors are just spreading like wild fires!!! All Studios Including Universal have several copies hidden in other storage places. IF it got burned up and hopefully some of the really bad tv crap of late did, but since it is a practice of ALL Studios to HIDE and DIVIDE!!! Nothing got lost at all. NOTHING. So relax and get all your panties out of a bunch. EVEN the great one Lukas Kendall has his panties in a bunch.

Even Universal was smart and had several people FILMING this fire. So it will be in a tv show, or Movie coming up. Just like they did at Paramount years back. Nothing gets wasted or lost.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Nothing gets wasted or lost.

LOL.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   observant observer   (Member)


Because it would cost a lot of money and unless there is some way to make a profit, this year or this quarter, they are very unlikely to piss the money away.


Well if they lose some unrecoverable master material it would likely cost them more in the future I would think...just a thought...

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2008 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

So much for the rumor that panicked so many at this board. Much as I never like to find myself on the same side as Ford, when he's right he's right.

MASTERS NOT DESTROYED BY UNIVERSAL FIRE: Reports that this weekend’s fire on the Universal Studios back lot destroyed a video vault which housed thousands of original Decca, MCA and ABC recording masters, including a wide range of music from Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters to Judy Garland and the Carpenters, are unfounded. A UMG spokesperson insists: "Thankfully, there was little lost from UMG's vault. A majority of what was formerly stored there was moved earlier this year to our other facilities. Of the small amount that was still there and waiting to be moved, it had already been digitized so the music will still be around for many years to come. And in addition to being digitized, physical back-up copies of what was still left at that location were made and stored elsewhere." (6/2a)



That's GREAT!

 
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