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 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

BACKDRAFT would be a terrific expanded release, since the album mix and film mix are *significantly* different. Queue up the last 20-30 min of the movie and you'll hear that most of the electronics were removed from the OST finale.


and quite deservedly so.


Wrong.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Funny, zero mention of BACKDRAFT at all in any regard here? I would place that highly as a part of the tide turn in film music. Spielberg mentioned enjoying it, and even JURASSIC PARK's trailer used it!

That score needs serious attention for alternates, remixes, alternate mixes, album versions, and in the current climate of songs not making the cut for expansions, NO Bruce
Hornsby please??

- Sean


I love the two songs, I play them far more often than the score. In 1992, WG Snuffy Walden successfully adapted/arranged The Show Goes On into his score for the film Leaving Normal, by the way.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

What's the problem with the suite format? Suites are a great way of presenting music!

I'm not arguing just to argue. But I can't think of a single score that I've ever enjoyed as a long suite. I suppose the argument could be made that Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back contain suites, but they're smaller ones.

In the case of Crimson Tide pretty much the only thing I listen to "on purpose", as a "song" as it were, is the first track with the Big Theme. If I'm listening to the rest of the CD it's more as a mood thing. Which is valuable, sure. But if you put me in the middle of the disc at random I could tell you that it was Crimson Tide but I would have almost no idea what part.

This is also a score that I've listened to hundreds of times but only seen the film once.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

What's the problem with the suite format? Suites are a great way of presenting music!

Just speaking personally of course, the suite thing is hit or miss with no rhyme or reason for scores I love. I always like reading others takes on how they feel about it all.

Boys from Brazil works.

Lion of the desert doesn't (Hi & thanks J. Fitzpatrick!!)

K2 works terrifically.

Pacific heights YES!

Crimson no

Broken arrow no

I love every one of those and am grateful the non-working suites were expanded and addressed.

No exact science, fascinating all the same!

- Sean

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

'Why Hasn't CRIMSON TIDE (Zimmer) Been Expanded???'

To piss you of, of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

I'd actually welcome a film order presentation even just for comparison purposes.

Actually, Crimson Tide, as with most other (older, I'm not familiar with the ones from the recent 10+ years) Zimmer albums are more or less in chronological order. In this case, it's just the middle parts of 02 - Alabama that have switched place, and 03 - Little Ducks that's out of 'film order'.


True. I just mean in non-suite form.


It's actually not that much "suite'ed" either ... except track 02 - Alabama. There's really no point in putting already 5-10 min long cues into a 20+ long track .. regardless of how good they might fit together.

01 - Mutiny is also put together of several cues, but the 7 first minutes of that actually seems to have been made to fit together. Or at least do so quite well.

But of course, I prefer all cues in their original form regardless, I hate it when a clean drum-ending, or start (or whatever) is faded away because it's combined with another track.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

BACKDRAFT would be a terrific expanded release, since the album mix and film mix are *significantly* different. Queue up the last 20-30 min of the movie and you'll hear that most of the electronics were removed from the OST finale.


and quite deservedly so.


Wrong.


Why ?

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

He meant it was right to delete the electronics from the OST.

I meant it was wrong.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

What's the problem with the suite format? Suites are a great way of presenting music!

Just speaking personally of course, the suite thing is hit or miss with no rhyme or reason for scores I love. I always like reading others takes on how they feel about it all.

Boys from Brazil works.

Lion of the desert doesn't (Hi & thanks J. Fitzpatrick!!)

K2 works terrifically.

Pacific heights YES!

Crimson no

Broken arrow no

I love every one of those and am grateful the non-working suites were expanded and addressed.

No exact science, fascinating all the same!

- Sean


I have both the OST and expanded edition of Broken Arrow and immensely dislike the expanded edition. I'll always go back to the OST.

I also love Crimson Tide OST though It think I'll like an expanded version too.

I love the Backdraft OST, it rather brilliantly builds momentum throughout. I've heard the film score which sounds to my ears radically different and don't care for it at all. It really is a different recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

BACKDRAFT would be a great 2-disc set that contained the (short) OST on a second disc to appease everyone. It's pretty interesting to compare/contrast the two versions. That and Jurassic Park are the first 2 scores I ever bought. I would say that Crimson Tide easily has enough unreleased music to warrant a complete/expanded edition... after all, it *is* over 2 decades(!) old now

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

He meant it was right to delete the electronics from the OST.

I meant it was wrong.


Ah, then if that's the case I agree with you.

The OST version of Backdraft is useless. If what you want is early 90s Zimmer anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Useless, really? I think it's an absolutely brilliant album. I like the songs too.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2018 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Yeah, the album mix is vastly superior, even though I hate when all the tracks bleed together like that.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

Useless, really? I think it's an absolutely brilliant album. I like the songs too.

I meant the score. I don't know the songs, so won't comment on them. But yeah, compared to the original mixes, the album (score) mixes are really ... well, not Zimmer.

I feel the same way with the new mixes that were done for The Lion King as well.

While in that case the new mixes were approved (or something) by Zimmer, the album mixes for Backdraft were not (I think..., correct me if I'm wrong).

However, while The Lion King might be closer to the original mixes, I feel that one actually lack more of the power etc. from the original mixes than in the case with Backdraft, for some reason.. but overall, original mixes, Zimmer intended or not, for me ! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 1:03 AM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

...even though I hate when all the tracks bleed together like that.

In general, agreed !

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Googled it to find the quote from George Martin:

Q:You also remixed the soundtrack album for "Backdraft." Do you enjoy film work?

A: Hans Zimmer is an old friend of mine; we used to work together back in the early days in England. While he was scoring "Backdraft," Hans rang me up and said that he was working pretty much round the clock, and the film company was pushing this film out earlier than they had said. "They want me to finish the score sooner than they said originally, and they also want to have a soundtrack record out almost straight away. It would be a tremendous help to me if you came in and did [the soundtrack] for me, so that I can concentrate on the writing side." That's what we did. I came in to L.A., and we worked side by side on that project. I mixed the soundtrack album while he was still recording the film track. He's such a good musician and a hell of a nice guy anyway, it was a delight.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Dimitrius Maximus   (Member)

I'm fine with the current Crimson Tide release. I'd LOVE an expanded, remastered of "A League of Their Own". Probably the best big band score for a baseball movie in my opinion.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I'm fine with the current Crimson Tide release. I'd LOVE an expanded, remastered of "A League of Their Own". Probably the best big band score for a baseball movie in my opinion.

Another Shirley Walker special! Totally crazy that it hasn't come out yet!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

I'm fine with the current Crimson Tide release. I'd LOVE an expanded, remastered of "A League of Their Own". Probably the best big band score for a baseball movie in my opinion.

Another Shirley Walker special! Totally crazy that it hasn't come out yet!


I recall Intrada saying that they have/are looked/looking at it. I think the issue may have something to do with Madonna.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2018 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I'm fine with the current Crimson Tide release. I'd LOVE an expanded, remastered of "A League of Their Own". Probably the best big band score for a baseball movie in my opinion.

Another Shirley Walker special! Totally crazy that it hasn't come out yet!


I recall Intrada saying that they have/are looked/looking at it. I think the issue may have something to do with Madonna.


Girls can't play ball!

 
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