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 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Crimson Tide was probably the moment that Zimmer took over the world.

The Alabama music supplanted Horner's Bishop's Countdown as "Does this have to be in EVERY movie trailer? Yes? Ok..."

I also remember reading a bunch of directors (at the moment I only remember Spielberg - hey, it's been 20 years!) just gushing about what a new sound he was bringing to movies. Tied specifically to this score.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Crimson Tide was probably the moment that Zimmer took over the world.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with that. BLACK RAIN was probably the score that established the 'power anthem' style, but it didn't help him "take over the world". Neither was THE LION KING, really. I tend to put the double whammy of CRIMSON TIDE and THE ROCK as the starting point for his domination.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I might disagree with you with respect to The Lion King. I worked at Tower Records when that movie came out and the soundtrack album, which had a lot of Zimmer, was a blitz. Don't get me wrong, a lot of that was due to the songs, but the movie itself, and the music within it, were extremely popular and defining for a generation of kids who weren't old enough to see the R-rated fare we're talking about.

I'm not saying Crimson Tide and The Rock didn't have the effect that you say they did… I'm just saying that The Lion King was just as much a part of the Zimmerization of Hollywood as those two scores.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 8:21 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I might disagree with you with respect to The Lion King. I worked at Tower Records when that movie came out and the soundtrack album, which had a lot of Zimmer, was a blitz. Don't get me wrong, a lot of that was due to the songs, but the movie itself, and the music within it, were extremely popular and defining for a generation of kids who weren't old enough to see the R-rated fare we're talking about.

I'm not saying Crimson Tide and The Rock didn't have the effect that you say they did… I'm just saying that The Lion King was just as much a part of the Zimmerization of Hollywood as those two scores.


Ehhhh... I'm going to disagree. And I will admit off the bat that this is fairly subjective.

I will in no way challenge you on the popularity of The Lion King. It was pretty much the last of Disney's soundtrack monsters wasn't it? I may be underestimating Pocahontas. (I loved Hercules and Hunchback m'self.)

But I don't think The Lion King showed off Zimmer in the same way that Mermaid, Beast, or Aladdin showed off Menken. (Which was one of my chief complaints about the film.)

I think there is more connective tissue between Point of No Return and Tide than Lion King. Lion King certainly propelled Zimmer to greater heights of popularity in the industry. But it was Tide that got everyone saying "MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THAT!"

It's interesting that he never scored another Disney animated feature. (Did he?)

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)


It's interesting that he never scored another Disney animated feature. (Did he?)


He did score DreamWorks' The Prince Of Egypt.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2018 - 8:39 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It's interesting that he never scored another Disney animated feature. (Did he?)

It was certainly an oddity. Alan Menken was their go to guy at that time, and for good reason.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)


It's interesting that he never scored another Disney animated feature. (Did he?)


He did score DreamWorks' The Prince Of Egypt.


He also scored The Road to El Dorado. And lots of other Dreamworks animated films.

And for Disney he did Muppet Treasure Island and obviously those other pirate-y things.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

I strongly, stroooongly feel this way about THE FAN as well but you told us not to mention other scores smile (but seriously THE FAN is awesome).

The Fan is one of my Holy Grails. It's a truly unique Zimmer score. The suite was pretty good summary (except they interestingly leave Gil's theme until the last like 10 seconds) but there is sooo much missing. I believe there's around 50-60 minutes of score in the movie... Maybe someday... Maybe... (And it's sort of relevant to this thread because it's from the same director of Crimson Tide!)

I am a little surprised at the lack of Zimmer expansions. The one's that have come out have been amazing and intsant purchases for me, so I'd love more. And some need some serious expansion: Pearl Harbor, Tears of the Sun, Thin Red Line (doubt that'll ever happen)...

I don't remember much music that's missing from Crimson Tide and while I love the current presentation, I'd actually welcome a film order presentation even just for comparison purposes.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Funny, zero mention of BACKDRAFT at all in any regard here? I would place that highly as a part of the tide turn in film music. Spielberg mentioned enjoying it, and even JURASSIC PARK's trailer used it!

That score needs serious attention for alternates, remixes, alternate mixes, album versions, and in the current climate of songs not making the cut for expansions, NO Bruce
Hornsby please??

- Sean

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Funny, zero mention of BACKDRAFT at all in any regard here? I would place that highly as a part of the tide turn in film music. Spielberg mentioned enjoying it, and even JURASSIC PARK's trailer used it!

That score needs serious attention for alternates, remixes, alternate mixes, album versions, and in the current climate of songs not making the cut for expansions, NO Bruce
Hornsby please??

- Sean


"Backdraft" was the score that put him on the map for me. I also remember Siskel and Ebert mentioning the score in a positive way during their review of the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

BACKDRAFT would be a terrific expanded release, since the album mix and film mix are *significantly* different. Queue up the last 20-30 min of the movie and you'll hear that most of the electronics were removed from the OST finale.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I'm glad we aren't put into a spot of choosing - I hope the Zim-massaince revisiting the old days of CRIMSON & BACKDRAFT happens.
TIDE is too long an album, and I never felt the suite approached worked, for me, so I'd love to give a standard sequencing job a shot. Sometimes retooling these things csn change an opinion, oddly enough.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 11:48 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

BACKDRAFT would be a terrific expanded release, since the album mix and film mix are *significantly* different. Queue up the last 20-30 min of the movie and you'll hear that most of the electronics were removed from the OST finale.


and quite deservedly so.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2018 - 11:49 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Maybe cause not every score is worth it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

I'd actually welcome a film order presentation even just for comparison purposes.

Actually, Crimson Tide, as with most other (older, I'm not familiar with the ones from the recent 10+ years) Zimmer albums are more or less in chronological order. In this case, it's just the middle parts of 02 - Alabama that have switched place, and 03 - Little Ducks that's out of 'film order'.

While an official expanded version of this would be very welcome for many people, I have to agree with others here that things like Backdraft deserves it much more. After all, the album of that has so different mixes that the original score (mixes) can be considered to be at least 90 % completely unreleased.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Captain Cold   (Member)

I strongly, stroooongly feel this way about THE FAN as well but you told us not to mention other scores smile (but seriously THE FAN is awesome).

Would Love to get The Fan released in complete form and remastered along with Point of No Return and Backdraft.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 3:39 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Maybe cause not every score is worth it.


That's never stopped anyone!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Crimson Tide is a Disney film, so it won't be coming from La-La Land.

No offense to Intrada, but I hate that anything Disney has to come from them. It is my own personal opinion that their remasterings are equal to the original soundtrack release, but not better. They more expand titles than improve the sound. (Please recognize that this is my opinion and you are free to disagree by all means. Just my own personal take! And I'm sure there are many examples where I'm wrong, but that just hasn't seemed to be the case for the titles that I've purchased.)

But mainly, I hate that Intrada owns the opportunity for all disney-related titles because if they choose not to do something (for example Duck Tales the TV show) then nobody can do it. It's like they're squatting on all these titles. If they don't want to do something, let somebody else do it.


Don't think they chose not to do Duck Tales, they tried to but couldn't due to licensing/disney/whatever.
But yes, it is sad that there are so many titles that only Intrada can do, not because Intrada don't do a fantastic job but because there are so many titles that only they can do. Just look at the Armageddon thread. Only Intrada can do that one but it doesn't look like its coming any time soon.
Could only get worse once Disney takes control of Fox if it means Fox joins the ranks of Mirrormax, etc which have to go through Disney and hence Intrada.

Would be nice if say LLL could also get in at Disney, not even for Disney titles but access to titles from the other studios which come under the Disney umbrella.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

I'd actually welcome a film order presentation even just for comparison purposes.

Actually, Crimson Tide, as with most other (older, I'm not familiar with the ones from the recent 10+ years) Zimmer albums are more or less in chronological order. In this case, it's just the middle parts of 02 - Alabama that have switched place, and 03 - Little Ducks that's out of 'film order'.


True. I just mean in non-suite form.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2018 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

What's the problem with the suite format? Suites are a great way of presenting music!

 
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