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 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   ShabbyBlue   (Member)

From Tyuan's point of view, you'd have to skip purchasing most film score releases on CD since most would not include every song that was also featured in the film. That seems ridiculously extreme to me. It's not like Bryan Adams' song is hard to obtain otherwise.

Oh well.. that's his loss then. He's depriving himself of some really great film music by not purchasing this release or the Titanic set or any others he passed on just because they were missing one or more pop songs.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

I knew it was only a matter of time. No matter what gems the labels put out there's always someone to piss in the water.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Disc 2, track 1 is listed as "Medieval Dance Source".

Two questions:

1) Is this the piece that underscores the forest party scene, which has been previously represented on the original CD by Jeff Lynne's "Wild Times"? (I would assume so based on the title and its placement in the sequencing, but I'm just making sure.)

2) What other source is there for "Wild Times"?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Intrada is a very fine business run by excellent people that has given us all a lot of musical delight and given us musical treasures that most of us thought we might never see. Intrada's reputation is impeccable. Don't attack them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   amatalqa   (Member)

I am on cloud 9. THANK YOU INTRADA!!!! This is the only score I've been checking the FSM boards for ever since the site started. Literally, every week, for over 20 years, I've checked to see if the complete Robin Hood would be released. Now... I won't know what to do with myself. Thank you so much

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Yeah, it's sort of a no-brainer for me. If you want the "complete soundtrack," with all the songs, you buy the soundtrack, like the rest of the public. What's so tough about that? I usually want the complete orchestral score. Isn't that what this message board is about?

Not really.

Because this song, like Titanic's, was co-written by the film's composer - based on themes interwoven into the score. They may not be "orchestral pieces" but they are fully part of the composer's score for the movie!

There are songs which belong artistically on score albums and those which don't. The songs from Robin Hood and Titanic absolutely do. That costs / licencing has prevented their inclusion is very disappointing and I'm sure both labels would agree.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

The Bryan Adams song was the actual end credits piece.
From an artistic and aesthetic point of view, it makes no sense to be absent (as Spymaster just pointed out).
From a financial point of view, what it really means is that someone (most likely in Adams' camp, but we can't be certain) didn't get enough cash dangled in front of their face.

The fact that the song is readily available elsewhere is some consolation, but the absence of the Jeff Lynne track is a concern too.

To the best of my memory, the version of "Wild Times" on the original album was a "pop" rerecording, different from the actual source cue.
If this new edition includes the piece as it appears in the film, then no harm done, and the previous version becomes just another curio in Lynne's recorded output. Nice, but not essential.
The music that plays out over the end credits... that's essential.

So, strictly speaking, Tyuan has a point.

I think it bears mentioning that Intrada is probably more pissed off about this state of affairs than anyone else here.
The fact that they were able to pull this off at all is magical.
It's Michael Kamen.
It's "Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves".

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

The Bryan Adams song was the actual end credits piece.
From an artistic and aesthetic point of view, it makes no sense to be absent (as Spymaster just pointed out).
From a financial point of view, what it really means is that someone (most likely in Adams' camp, but we can't be certain) didn't get enough cash dangled in front of their face.

The fact that the song is readily available elsewhere is some consolation, but the absence of the Jeff Lynne track is a concern too.

To the best of my memory, the version of "Wild Times" on the original album was a "pop" rerecording, different from the actual source cue.
If this new edition includes the piece as it appears in the film, then no harm done, and the previous version becomes just another curio in Lynne's recorded output. Nice, but not essential.
The music that plays out over the end credits... that's essential.

So, strictly speaking, Tyuan has a point.

I think it bears mentioning that Intrada is probably more pissed off about this state of affairs than anyone else here.
The fact that they were able to pull this off at all is magical.
It's Michael Kamen.
It's "Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves".


I agree with the sentiment expressed here, however when it comes down to it what would you prefer? This release without the song or nothing at all?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Tyuan makes a good point, however when it comes down to it what would you prefer? This release without the song or nothing at all?


Dave, you quoted me in your post--does that mean you are asking just me?
Or are you asking everyone in general?

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

DP

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Sorry for the confusion Octoberman. The question is for everyone!

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Ugh. You fucking crybabies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Ugh. You fucking crybabies.


Are you referring to me?

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Tyuan wants something that hasn't been made available to him, and if the lack of the songs is the dealbreaker for him, there's nothing more to say.

That said, I think he'd help himself in all ways by tempering his anger. Calling people assholes for reasoning we are not privy to isn't productive in any way. I really do think he should take it down a notch.

What confuses me, though, is that this is a problem only for people who absolutely must have everything in a single package. The two vocals not included have not been erased from the planet. They are very, very readily available.

Some people here see the glass as half full, and some as half empty. To me, though, the glass is filled to the brim, and there's another smaller glass off to the side, also available for me to drink from.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Ugh. You fucking crybabies.

My sentiments exactly. Princess and the Pea and all that gobshite.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

What confuses me, though, is that this is a problem only for people who absolutely must have everything in a single package. The two vocals not included have not been erased from the planet. They are very, very readily available.


True, it's confusing, but it also cannot be overlooked that the score fan who must have everything makes up a huge percentage of the consumer base to whom these very record labels cater.
I'm not an absolute completist, but I understand them.
They are simply the other side of the same coin.
I agree that Tyuan could have scaled back the ire a little, but making a quantifying judgement on someone else's passion can be a slippery slope.

Secondly, we are not certain just how readily available the original edition of "Wild Times" is.
That's why I was asking in one of my previous posts.
The obvious option is to seek out a used original edition.
In some cases that can be a prohibitively expensive option, as we all know.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Tyuan wants something that hasn't been made available to him, and if the lack of the songs is the dealbreaker for him, there's nothing more to say.

That said, I think he'd help himself in all ways by tempering his anger. Calling people assholes for reasoning we are not privy to isn't productive in any way. I really do think he should take it down a notch.

What confuses me, though, is that this is a problem only for people who absolutely must have everything in a single package. The two vocals not included have not been erased from the planet. They are very, very readily available.

Some people here see the glass as half full, and some as half empty. To me, though, the glass is filled to the brim, and there's another smaller glass off to the side, also available for me to drink from.


It is puzzling to me that someone would pass on 85 minutes of previously unreleased music because it doesn't include two songs they already have sitting on their shelf. Sure it's not as convenient, but it tells me that a) this score is not that important to them and b) they really aren't part of our target demographic. Life is full of imperfections. Those that can accept it tend to have happier, less stressful lives.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I agree that Tyuan could have scaled back the ire a little, but making a quantifying judgement on someone else's passion can be a slippery slope.

Sure, but his anger is based on assumptions backed up by nothing. I certainly have no issue with somebody saying "This is a crushing disappointment for me" or even "I'm annoyed that this isn't what I wanted," but railing against "assholes" and "pathetic politics" in absence of information is the definition of uncalled for and unhelpful.

The obvious option is to seek out a used original edition.
In some cases that can be a prohibitively expensive option, as we all know.


In this particular case, though, Amazon has dozens of used copies (in several listings for the same CD) starting at 14ยข. These songs are not hard to come by. (In Tyuan's case, he already owns them.)

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

hey Schiff,

did you see my "Epistle to Schiffy"
poem on the other side?

check it out!
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2018 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

did you see my "Epistle to Schiffy"
poem on the other side?


No! And I'm nervous!

 
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