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The only arrangement in the film, that I do NOT think is better than the show, is "He Plays The Violin". The show's arrangement is superior, I think. In fact, I'm not a fan of Blythe Danner, at all. I wish she wasn't in the film. Not that I particularly wanted Betty Buckley; but I felt that Danner was a big zero, in the role. Why was she in the film, anyway?
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I think that was more a case of Hunt determined to cast her at all costs. On the LD commentary he said he couldn't recall at all why Betty Buckley wasn't asked to do the film but given his enthusiasm for Danner, and how just after "1776" he was directing her in a TV show "Adam's Rib", I think he just didn't want to use Betty.
This HTF thread I've been in on the film is getting nastier. There are some pretty cheap shots being leveled at Joe Caps that basically accuse him of being this egomaniac who steamrolled Hunt on the LD cut against Hunt's wishes and that Hunt is now merely getting the chance at long last to do things his way.
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I have absolutely nothing to contribute here...I just want you fellas to know that I am reading every word, and enjoying this thread!
Long Live 1776!
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You mean after all this time of playing Dickinson, you've suddenly become Jefferson, Chris?  ("Most silent man in the Congress...")
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Eric, I happen to believe that Dickinson was the most ignorant man in Congress...unlike him, I choose to listen instead of speechifying!
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Ah, if only Hunt would do some listening right now.....
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Let us pray, Eric...let us pray.
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I have no faith in Hunt at this point, alas. I fear that just knowing there's a group of upset people about this is only going to harden his attitude that he's right on this and that what the fans of the movie think shouldn't count in the final analysis.
Guard your LD's with your life!
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New York abstains. Courteously.
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The MORE I hear about Hunt, the less I like or admire him. Why the hell would ANYONE be enthusiastic about Blythe Danner? There's no there, there.
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Feb 1, 2002 - 11:23 PM
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Howard L
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On "Molasses" are you talking about just adding Bartlett's "For the love of God Mister Rutledge, please!" because the film plays it in an entirely different key altogether.
Yes, that most certainly would be added and on a related note, I would substitute the soundtrack's "Who'd have thought it?" with the deadpanned sarcasm of the cast album's. And I prefer the declamatory style of Mr. Thompson's finale on the cast album over the film soundtrack's. But I would indeed add the missing parts sung by David to the Cullum vocal, change in key notwithstanding. By the way--and I'm too lazy to check theatredb.com--was it not Mr. David who sang She Wasn't You with the original On a Clear Day... cast?
The only arrangement in the film, that I do NOT think is better than the show, is "He Plays The Violin".
Interesting, for I have always felt from the get-go that the film's The Egg was light years superior to the cast album's. As for Ms. Danner: in some respects I thought her throaty and soft femininity might have been more suited to both the acting & singing of the character of Martha, and yet I much prefer the arrangement on the cast album with Ms. Buckley belting it out. I mean she cooked! I also prefer the violin solo on the cast album; sounds more flowing and humble, if there is such a thing.
...the excerpts that were performed on the "Ed Sullivan Show" in 1970.
WHOA. We is gonna hafta get ah li'l paws on a copy o' dat. Has it by any chance ever been broadcast on one of those PBS shows?
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"But I would indeed add the missing parts sung by David to the Cullum vocal, change in key notwithstanding."
Ah yes, the "faces from Nantucket, Boston." line. But if I remember right, those lyrics don't even appear in the current libretto which always made me think it was a tweak made to the song after the cast album was recorded during the Broadway production. That's happened before with other shows where the cast album ends up with a version not part of the final version ("Man Of La Mancha" with "What Do You Want Of Me" instead of "What Does He Want Of Me").
Oh, and what's your solution on how to get the "Talk, Talk" bit put on? (Pre-recorded for the film but the sequence was never shot according to Joe Caps, indicating a screenplay change before shooting)
"Interesting, for I have always felt from the get-go that the film's The Egg was light years superior to the cast album's."
Isn't that more because the cast album doesn't give you the whole of Franklin's ranting about the eagle?
As for "He Plays THe Violin" that's the one number where there was a key change from the Broadway version that I felt was markedly inferior to the Broadway versions. The different keys on "Momma Look Sharp" and "Molasses To Rum" grew on me after awhile and I have no problem with them now.
"WHOA. We is gonna hafta get ah li'l paws on a copy o' dat. Has it by any chance ever been broadcast on one of those PBS shows?"
No, but what I got was the full excerpts performed from a collector who has compilation tapes of nothing but full Broadway numbers performed on the Sullivan show down through the years. (PBS and the TV Land repeats never present the full numbers always cutting out dialogue lead ins and cast intros). Here's a sampling of what's on the particular tapes I got from him.
Best Of Broadway-Compilation Tape #1
1. My Fair Lady (July 15, 1956)
2. My Fair Lady (March 3, 1957)
3. My Fair Lady (March 19, 1961)
4. West Side Story (November 2, 1958)
5. Flower Drum Song (December 14, 1958)
6. Destry Rides Again (May 10, 1959)
7. Bye Bye Birdie (June 12, 1960)
8. Bye Bye Birdie (November 13, 1960)
9. Do Re Mi (January 1, 1961)
10. Wildcat (August 6, 1961)
11. Camelot (March 19, 1961)
12. The Gay Life (December 17, 1961)
13. A Family Affair (February 11, 1962)
14. The Sound Of Music (November 4, 1962)
15. Little Me (March 17, 1963)
16. Oliver! (February 9, 1964)
Best Of Broadway-Compilation Tape #2
1. Man Of La Mancha (February 20, 1966)
2. A Time For Singing (May 29, 1966)
3. Annie Get Your Gun (September 25, 1966)
4. Sweet Charity (October 2, 1966)
5. Sweet Charity (March 5, 1967)
6. Hello Dolly! (January 22, 1967) (Ginger Rogers)
7. Hello Dolly! (December 10, 1967) (Pearl Bailey)
8. Ilya Darling (April 30, 1967)
9. How Now Dow Jones (January 14, 1968)
10. You're A Good Man Charlie Brown (October 6, 1968)
11. Hair (March 30, 1969)
12. Paint Your Wagon (October 5, 1969) (Movie Excerpt) (Clint Eastwood)
13. George M (May 19, 1968)
14. Purlie (November 1, 1970)
15. 1776 (October 4, 1970)
Best Of Broadway-Compilation Tape #3
1. South Pacific (March 8, 1964)
2. A Tree Grows In Brooklyn (August 12, 1951)
3. On Your Toes (November 14, 1954)
4. New Faces Of 1952 (June 1, 1952)
5. Wish You Were Here (May 17, 1953)
6. The Pajama Game (August 22, 1954)
7. My Fair Lady (March 3, 1957)
8. My Fair Lady (March 15, 1959)
9. Alladin (March 9, 1958)
10. Camelot (June 23, 1963)
11. Bye Bye Birdie (November 13, 1960)
12. The Unsinkable Molly Brown (January 14, 1968) (Tammy Grimes performing a couple numbers)
13. Do Re Mi (October 22, 1961)
14. No Strings (November 4, 1962)
15. Stop The World I Want To Get Off (December 9, 1962)
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The only arrangement in the film, that I do NOT think is better than the show, is "He Plays The Violin".
Interesting, for I have always felt from the get-go that the film's The Egg was light years superior to the cast album's. As for Ms. Danner: in some respects I thought her throaty and soft femininity might have been more suited to both the acting & singing of the character of Martha, and yet I much prefer the arrangement on the cast album with Ms. Buckley belting it out. I mean she cooked! I also prefer the violin solo on the cast album; sounds more flowing and humble, if there is such a thing.
So, Howard, we are both saying the same thing? I'm confused. I think the arrangements of all the music, in the film, in much better than the Broadway show; EXCEPT "He Plays The Violin". That song's arrangement, is far superior on the Original Broadway Cast album, than in the film. And, it isn't Buckley's vocal or Danner's, for that manner (I've always felt that Martha should be a legit soprano); but the arrangement, itself.
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Feb 2, 2002 - 4:50 PM
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Howard L
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Caramba, I knew what you meant and then promptly misapplied the thought to The Egg . Yes, we are on the same page there as on Violin.
To do this ultimate compilation thing full justice I probably should have started fom the top and worked my way to the end. So far it appears I'm tilting more towards cast album vs. film soundtrack. I think one of the reasons per Yours, Yours is that Mr. Daniels sang "vanilla" incredibly flat in the film. Another is that the phrase "...soon madam we shall walk in cupid's grove together" sounds far more...oh brother how can I say it...stately and dignified over the film performance. Third, I am enamored of the cast album's "stage echo".
Moving right along, I lean towards Holgate and company's Lees in the film. Da Silva, among other reasons, sounds so much better than Everhart. It's almost a pick 'em sitch for Holgate which indicates to me he duplicated his stage performance marvelously.
Gonna have to think more about Cool Men before deciding...but how thankful I am for Thomson reading the letter in the middle of the number. My compilation, therefore, would be culled from cast album, film soundtrack and laser disc version...which only makes the prospective DVD that much more inadequate, grrrrrrr
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I noticed on "Cool Men" in the LD there was a bit of an echo reverb on Hancock's "That is true" which is the one blemish on the number overall I detected.
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One other thought Howard. On "But Mr. Adams" you have to keep the cast album's created line of "Well, Mr. Jefferson...." from Adams or else the listening experience wouldn't work with dead air leading to "Mr. Adams, leave me alone!"
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"We've got to offend SOMEBODY! This is a revolution, dammit!"
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