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 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

of course its nothing malicious

but my bet is that only musicians - trumpet playes - will enjoy this -

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

IanB wins Post of the Month.
And is among the nominations for Bill Carson's Post of the Year

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

IanB wins Post of the Month.
And is among the nominations for Bill Carson's Post of the Year


I support the nomination.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2022 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)


I was 24 - the First Blood sessions were at Abbey Road Studio 1 in the late summer of 1982. Second tpt was Simon Ferguson - freelance player who worked with many orchestras, groups, sessions, including The Academy of St Martins and Philip Jones Brass; third tpt was John Hardy - Principal Cornet and my colleague at the ROH Orchestra


Thank-you Ian for that clarification. I recalled reading it was Maurice Murphy, so either the source I read was in error, or I remembered wrong. embarrassment

As long as you're here, can you shed any light on the trumpet overdub for the cue when Rambo breaks out of the police station? It is heard in the film but not on any of the album releases.

https://youtu.be/VZqVJVR9IBc?t=129

https://youtu.be/YqsQ4k28hmU?t=123

Oh, and gorgeous solo work on that score!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)


But has this film version of The Razor ever survived?
Anybody at Intrada may help the issue?


Years ago, someone I knew had a cassette dub of that cue with the overdubbed trumpet. Where he got it though, I've no idea.

I'm guessing Goldsmith decided he wanted that cue to have a little more "punch" and had someone come in and record the overdub (either in London or later after returning to California).

I wish hadn't gotten rid of my old trumpet. I could overdub it myself! big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

Goldsmith didn't really record overdubs, preferring to get everything live. It's likely a different take.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

We don't even have time to do Spotlights on all the Goldsmith albums that get released, Thierry, much less trying to add to our already packed to-do list! (We never found the time to do ones on such important titles as Masada, Looney Tunes: Back in Action, or the total premiere of Shamus!)

I was at one point hoping to do a Spotlight on the occasion of Quartet Records' new LP edition of the Rambo trilogy but for various reasons we had to scrap it. Only so much time and the Goldsmith release train keeps chuggin' along... meanwhile thanks to all these wonderful releases and accompanying Spotlights our regular Odyssey slows to a crawl...

In 2018 (at a frankly non-sustainable pace) we put out 16 regular episodes, not counting Interviews or other special eps.
In 2019, we put out 8 regular episodes. (The Interviews and such increased.)
In 2020, we put out 5 regular episodes. (This was the year I created the Soundtrack Spotlight sub-series, originally inspired to help the labels during the pandemic.)
In 2021, we again put out only 5 regular episodes. (We produced a whopping 11 Soundtrack Spotlights though, having to sadly skip over the three I mentioned above!)
This year (2022) we've put out a shocking 3(!) regular episodes...though we are hoping to get out two this month!
But I think we've produced more hours of content in 2022 than any previous year (much of that...Spotlights!)

It's a challenge when you start a podcast about your favorite composer and he was THIS prolific... and this popular with the labels! smile A good problem to have, of course.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 9:56 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If Intrada or some other label puts out a new edition of First Blood with the missing film take-with-trumpet and whatever other improvements... I'll do my best to put together a Spotlight episode for the occasion. wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2022 - 10:19 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

Seems like the same take to me—on the Quartet at least—and just how the mix was laid into the film.

But the main thing that’s cool is knowing Ian Brown performed it and has graciously participated in this thread!

Chris

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 2:17 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Yes, I hear not much of a difference as far as the trumpet is concerned in the two versions, except the film version sounds like a more condensed (possibly mono?) mix to me on YouTube (though I only listen to this over build in Laptop speakers here, as I don't have my laptop hooked up to my hifi system), so that may be why the trumpet appears more pronounced...

There doesn't seem to be a trumpet overdub nor does there seem to be a difference between the two takes. (But again, I just sampled the provided clips on my PC via Youtube, so that's not exactly state of the art audiophile equipment.)

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

It's a challenge when you start a podcast about your favorite composer and he was THIS prolific... and this popular with the labels! smile A good problem to have, of course.

Yeah, I was suggesting The Goldsmith Odyssey cover new releases in its first months, back when I was just a correspondent. The reluctance was understandable - it has all but derailed us. I mean, when the idea became a reality, with the August 2020 release of The Don is Dead, that had been the 8th Jerry release in a year's time (preceded by Air Force One, The Great Train Robbery, The Swarm, Morituri, U.S. Marshalls, Take Her, She’s Mine and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea). That's reasonable, adding a little, extra one-on-one with an album professional once every 1-2 months. And sure enough, the next release was two months later, The Last Castle.

Then they dropped upon us like fuzzballs from a vault of Quadrotriticale. In the 365 days from December 1, 2020 to November 30, 2021, 16 Goldsmith CD sets were released, representing 20 scores (see below). Of note, from March 19-Oct.25, we got 12 releases in 220 days. That's one every 2 2/3 weeks.

In that same time period, The Beatles rereleased Let It Be.

I'm just saying, who could see that coming? It remains a great problem to have, we definitely could not keep up, and when more and more people are willing to join us, great guests to a one, I don't think those Spotlights are going away.




December 1, 2020 - Von Ryan’s / Blue Max re-releases by La-La Land
December 1, 2020 - Flim-Flam expansion / The Detective re-release by La-La Land
December 15, 2020 - Inchon improved re-release by Intrada
January 8, 2021 - Looney Tunes expansion by Varese Sarabande
March 19, 2021 - Along Came a Spider expansion by Varese Sarabande
March 23, 2021 - Face of a Fugitive premiere release by Intrada
April 30, 2021 - Lionheart expansion by Varese Sarabande
May 4, 2021 - Rio Conchos rerecording re-release by Intrada
May 11, 2021 - Fox vol. 3: Stripper re-release / S*P*Y*S expansion by La-La Land
June 1, 2021 - Shamus premiere release by Intrada
June 8, 2021 - Cabo Blanco expansion by Intrada
June 15, 2021 - The Public Eye premiere release by Intrada
July 12, 2021 - Extreme Prejudice expansion by Intrada
August 27, 2021 - Love Field expansion by Varese Sarabande
October 5, 2021 - Fox vol. 4: Ace Eli & Tora³
October 25, 2021 - Legend 2CD by Music Box Records

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

Just to confirm—The Quartet LP set has the film performance.

Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

The track titles are taken from the legal cue sheet.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2022 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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