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 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

That lonely, beautiful, plaintive solo during the opening track (Homecoming).
The National Philharmonic Orchestra of London.
Anyone know?

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I'm pretty sure it was Maurice Murphy.

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

I just had a look on imdb and it says it was Malcolm McNab. I thought he was a ham shank or did he come over with Jed.

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Malcom McNab? Really? Now that's odd.

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

I took a listen, sounds like John Barclay, he played 1st on most of Goldsmith's National Philharmonic recordings ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 2:50 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   IanB   (Member)

Definitely Maurice Murphy according to Paul MacLean
See the other FIRST BLOOD thread:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=147826&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=1&r=349#bottom


Hi. I've somehow come across these posts from 2022 about an early '80's film!! I can answer your questions and give a bit of background info.
I played first trumpet on First Blood.
My name is Ian Brown. I was Co-Principal (for a short time) then Principal Trumpet with the Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden, London 1980-2014. I also worked with many other orchestras on a guest, freelance basis, and session work, including with The National Philharmonic Orchestra in the 1980's.
The NPO was a freelance, primarily recording orchestra run by the fixer (contractor) Sid Sax, who also always led the orchestra.
I was 24 - the First Blood sessions were at Abbey Road Studio 1 in the late summer of 1982. Second tpt was Simon Ferguson - freelance player who worked with many orchestras, groups, sessions, including The Academy of St Martins and Philip Jones Brass; third tpt was John Hardy - Principal Cornet and my colleague at the ROH Orchestra. All three of us now retired!! I think first trombone was John Iveson, then my colleague at the ROH; first horn Derek Taylor (BBC Symphony Orchestra).
Sid Sax was the foremost London fixer at the time, using top freelance players and members of London orchestras. His amazing string sections usually comprised many leaders and principal players. The brass sections comprised top freelance and session players and, when I worked with the NPO in the '80's, very often members of either the Royal Opera House or BBC Symphony Orchestras. He usually booked on an all-or-nothing basis and players from those orchestras, which are salaried "house" orchestras, generally had less hectic schedules then and seemingly could often provide sort of "readily available" sections for a run of sessions.
I sometimes worked with John (Barclay) on NPO sessions but Maurice (Murphy) rarely worked for Sid during that period, if at all - I never saw him. The LSO had had a resurgence in its reputation and especially film work since Star Wars in 1977 and its subsequent relationship with John Williams, not least because of Maurice! I think he said that his first note on joining the LSO was the opening high C in the first Star Wars film session. The rest is history!
The word at the time was that there was a business rivalry between the NPO and the LSO over film work and that either Sid wouldn't use LSO players or LSO players were not allowed to work for Sid - I don't know how true that was! Probably more to the point - the LSO was extremely busy with a ridiculously hectic concert and touring schedule, plus its own film session work.
Hope that's of interest

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


Hope that's of interest


That's very much of interest! Thanks for stopping by and sharing this background information with us Ian! Welcome to our little corner on the Net.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)


Hope that's of interest



It was. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Wow!
Thanks Ian, for clarifying that.
And well done.
Your lonely trumpet playing filled my bedroom all through the 80s and 90s.
Congratulations on being part of our film music history.
Any recollections on working with Jerry Goldsmith, or any other composers and their film scores you might have worked on?

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah thanks so much for correcting the record Ian, and the heartiest compliments at your amazing trumpet playing at such a young age on such a major Goldsmith score! I echo Kev’s inquiry in wondering whether you played on any other Goldsmith scores and have any other memories to share about playing for him. What was he like at that time, as a conductor?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

I've read a lot of interesting things on this forum over the years but Mr. Brown's recollections are at the top. Like a lot of us, this particular recording session is special to me and hearing from anyone who was there firsthand is a treat but to hear from someone who actually played with the orchestra, it's about as close to actually being there during those glorious sessions as any of us fans will ever get. Fantastic stuff and one of the reasons I keep coming back to this forum.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

did he say he was 24 when he played that solo?!?!? Incredible!

Now we just need confirmation on who provided the solo on Alien

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

did he say he was 24 when he played that solo?!?!? Incredible!

Now we just need confirmation on who provided the solo on Alien


I would almost bet money that the soloist on "Alien" is Maurice Murphy. This would have been recorded only a couple of years before "Monsignor" and it sounds like the same performer. Something about the quality of his fully-bodied low-to-medium register, redolent of a brass band performer (Murphy was a cornetist in Black Dyke Mills, one of the great British championship bands).

Have a listen to the openings of "Monsignor" and "Alien" and see what you think.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Just earlier in this thread, before Ian Brown's reply, another member was sure it was Maurice Murphy for this film, too, so...

Maurice Murphy: The answer to all trumpet questions. ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

Well, the one I wondered about for a long time was the soloist on "The Natural," which to me sounded like Mancini's first-call (and soloist on his 70s RCA albums), Graham Young. Turns out it was Graham Young (confirmed by the session roster). He's also the soloist on "The Waltons" (from about season three, on). Compare the versions of that season and season one and you'll hear a distinct difference (I think season one was Cappy Lewis, longtime second trumpet, to John Clyman, at Fox).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

then you should have no problem in recognizing this part - a transcription of home coming trumpet part - complete with opening mistake notation (the trumpet comes in like he missed he was on - you can hear it in the recording)

https://we.tl/t-y0wML8PWva


i hope download links of PDF are okay - there is no virus - just a PDF with a part from my unfinished transcription

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2022 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

then you shoud have no problem en recognizing this part - a transcription

https://we.tl/t-y0wML8PWva


i hope download links of PDF are okay - there is no virus - just a PDF with a part from my unfinished transcription


For those curious:
https://www.urlvoid.com/scan/we.tl/

Another website checker says it re-directs to:
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/6261777ff9390861794277d6f4e00a6920221201183216/c7b177

A scam of that shows nothing malicious. This is probably safe to click on.

 
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