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 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Why are there so many people here jumping on the occasion to trash anything LP?
The subject of this thread is about a label specialized in limited prestigious LP release for collectors releasing a new item. It's pretty obvious the CD equivalent won't be available from them. Plus, as said earlier, all these soundtracks are already available on CD.
So, dear LP haters/trolls, chill out, live and let live.


Because the tiny subculture that comprises this board's regulars expects the entire universe to bend to its whims. They like only CDs; they hate LPs, streaming, and downloads. When you mention an LP release, they instantly panic and assume that LPs will become the new norm, and that no one will manufacture CDs anymore.

And one of the guys who responded has a label himself. He is probably just jealous that it didn't occur to him to license this for an LP release. wink

So don't let these aging celibates bring you down. We, as LP lovers, are the influentials, the people who are gregarious, active, and admired. Our "cha-cha-ing" at the school dance or community social has the whole crowd taking lessons at Madame LaZonga's. And be it the latest in "cool sounds," or a new pressing of the Eroica, we dig the former, appreciate the latter, and move others to share our enthusiasm and enjoyment.

We are younger, fun-loving, well-informed, and articulate people who lead the way to new things, new experiences. What we talk about, others remember and repeat. Where we lead, others follow. And our influence moves sideways, by word of mouth, from person to person, neighbor to neighbor, on every income level.

As LP lovers, you and I send a strong message that we are bon vivants and raconteurs; that we have tasted life's sweet and bitter; that we have lived, loved, and lost like Sinatra; and that we enjoy a good scotch or cabernet while watching the LP spin on the turntable.

Happy New Year, and please feel free to share news of any future vinyl releases. Even if I don't buy them, I will enjoy reading the knee-jerk freakout.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

How about some CDs for those of us living in 2021...?

People living in 2021 stream. You are living in 1995.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Who doesn't love Vinyl? Vinyl is sexy!!!!

















...on Catwoman and the Black Widow.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Stalker Vigil   (Member)

Wow, what an amazing arts for covers! I have no vinyl turntable, but I'm willing to pay for this covers. And also it could be used for the movie covers, although there is a great artworks from Creterion Collection Blu-ray.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Wow, what an amazing arts for covers!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   LRobHubbard   (Member)

Why would ANYONE want this? Seriously. They're all taken from the CD masters, so what's the allure? They have no bonus material and they'll sound no different to the CD releases. The CD box sets are amazing - I have all of them. People are nutty.

Hipster vinyl is the modern-day equivalent of laserdiscs Back-In-The-Day -- horribly overpriced, but that 'Cool' factor is priceless...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 7:34 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Why are there so many people here jumping on the occasion to trash anything LP?
The subject of this thread is about a label specialized in limited prestigious LP release for collectors releasing a new item. It's pretty obvious the CD equivalent won't be available from them. Plus, as said earlier, all these soundtracks are already available on CD.
So, dear LP haters/trolls, chill out, live and let live.


Because the tiny subculture that comprises this board's regulars expects the entire universe to bend to its whims. They like only CDs; they hate LPs, streaming, and downloads. When you mention an LP release, they instantly panic and assume that LPs will become the new norm, and that no one will manufacture CDs anymore.

And one of the guys who responded has a label himself. He is probably just jealous that it didn't occur to him to license this for an LP release. wink

So don't let these aging celibates bring you down. We, as LP lovers, are the influentials, the people who are gregarious, active, and admired. Our "cha-cha-ing" at the school dance or community social has the whole crowd taking lessons at Madame LaZonga's. And be it the latest in "cool sounds," or a new pressing of the Eroica, we dig the former, appreciate the latter, and move others to share our enthusiasm and enjoyment.

We are younger, fun-loving, well-informed, and articulate people who lead the way to new things, new experiences. What we talk about, others remember and repeat. Where we lead, others follow. And our influence moves sideways, by word of mouth, from person to person, neighbor to neighbor, on every income level.

As LP lovers, you and I send a strong message that we are bon vivants and raconteurs; that we have tasted life's sweet and bitter; that we have lived, loved, and lost like Sinatra; and that we enjoy a good scotch or cabernet while watching the LP spin on the turntable.

Happy New Year, and please feel free to share news of any future vinyl releases. Even if I don't buy them, I will enjoy reading the knee-jerk freakout.


As the guy who owns the label, no, not jealous - if I wanted to jump on that band wagon I could have jumped before anyone else did, but it was of no interest to me on any level, so there's that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Why would ANYONE want this? Seriously. They're all taken from the CD masters, so what's the allure? They have no bonus material and they'll sound no different to the CD releases. The CD box sets are amazing - I have all of them. People are nutty.


Bruce, maybe it's my eyes going wonky, but I'll be buggered if I can see anything on the product page that says the LP's are pressed from the CD masters.
Is that info somewhere else?


You think Toho went back to the original analogue tapes for this set? I can assure they did not, so of course you don't see anything about it - why would they publicize the obvious. They're using what was prepared for the CD releases.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)


Hipster vinyl is the modern-day equivalent of laserdiscs Back-In-The-Day -- horribly overpriced, but that 'Cool' factor is priceless...


Uhhh, laserdiscs were VASTLY superior to VHS tapes in the 80s and 90s in terms of picture and sound quality, whereas vinyl is a step BACKWARDS in terms of sound. Plus, it degrades literally every single time you play it. The sooner the vinyl renaissance goes away, the better.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2021 - 8:36 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You think Toho went back to the original analogue tapes for this set? I can assure they did not, so of course you don't see anything about it - why would they publicize the obvious. They're using what was prepared for the CD releases.


Your comment was stated as fact, so I just wanted to know where you learned that fact.
Of course it is highly unlikely that the tapes were the original 2-track analog masters, but I simply prefer verification to assumptions.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2021 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 3, 2021 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

What an unfortunate turn of events. A CD release of all this content would have moved entire oceans. Heck, I'll even take a digital release to enjoy this. 2021 sure started with a disappointment in the film score department for sure.

Missed you have the Godzilla Perfect Soundtrack Collection it seems...


Is that the 50th Anniversary release of which there are 6 separate boxes? SAE has them for $130 each (ouch).
http://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/13743/50th-ANNIVERSARY-GODZILLA-SOUNDTRACK-PERFECT-COLLECTION-BOX-6/


Yes, very expensive and everything in japanese. For most titles there were never proper international releases. LLL's series of Toho scores was unfortunately stopped years ago.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2021 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

What an unfortunate turn of events. A CD release of all this content would have moved entire oceans. Heck, I'll even take a digital release to enjoy this. 2021 sure started with a disappointment in the film score department for sure.

Missed you have the Godzilla Perfect Soundtrack Collection it seems...


Is that the 50th Anniversary release of which there are 6 separate boxes? SAE has them for $130 each (ouch).
http://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/13743/50th-ANNIVERSARY-GODZILLA-SOUNDTRACK-PERFECT-COLLECTION-BOX-6/


Yes, very expensive and everything in japanese. For most titles there were never proper international releases. LLL's series of Toho scores was unfortunately stopped years ago.


I heard some of the soundtracks in those Japanese sets used inferior tapes than whats previously been released. I really don't care if they produced a set like this. If people want to collect vinyl that's their business. My frustration is when something is released on vinyl instead of CD like what Disney seems to be doing for the most part nowadays. They clearly dropped the Legacy Collection so they could jump on the vinyl bandwagon.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2021 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

I heard some of the soundtracks in those Japanese sets used inferior tapes than whats previously been released.

I've heard that too. That's the reason I was reluctant to purchase those sets. Inferior sound, expensive, japanese texts only.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2021 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Good news!

I contacted the manufacturer, and they said they are "strongly considering" a CD release. They were not interested in a CD set originally, but being that 6 or 7 FSMers don't like vinyl, they are re-thinking their strategy moving forward.

I explained that we at FSM expect the rest of the world to do things our way. They laughed, and said, "Don't worry, we've got you covered." I thanked them for their courteous and professional service.

I also asked if, after the CD release, they could do anything about the new strain of COVID-19, and they said they will look into this for me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2021 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

No Digital Download, No Sale!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2021 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Good news!

I contacted the manufacturer, and they said they are "strongly considering" a CD release. They were not interested in a CD set originally, but being that 6 or 7 FSMers don't like vinyl, they are re-thinking their strategy moving forward.

I explained that we at FSM expect the rest of the world to do things our way. They laughed, and said, "Don't worry, we've got you covered." I thanked them for their courteous and professional service.

I also asked if, after the CD release, they could do anything about the new strain of COVID-19, and they said they will look into this for me.


Lol.

Actually, despite my preference for authentic artwork more appropriate to releases, I think this set's artwork is quite an improvement on the Criterion set. Whether it's just the presentation or what I'm not sure. Just looks more tasteful toi my eyes.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

Waxwork released some more info on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/waxworkrecords/status/1349368408803061763

"We have received a lot of questions regarding our new Godzilla: The Showa Era Soundtracks 1954-1975 box set. Here’s some info that should help clear the dust and rubble kicked up by this massive monster.

After years of research and discussion, we had the honor of working with Toho on this mega box set. We sourced the music directly from their archives / original masters.

All of the soundtracks except the first, Godzilla (1954), have never been released on vinyl / in their entirety, until now. We are thrilled to finally unleash soundtracks like Mechagodzilla, Gigan, and Destroy All Monsters, and many more!

Our agreement is for a box set, so no individual releases will be sold separately.

The price per LP and 2xLP’s included is in line with our other releases. In addition you get an LP storage box with a magnetic fold down album glossary. We are stoked to pull it off properly. You also get a large, heavyweight slipcase, an art print, and a turntable slipmat.

None of these items were outsourced. As a result, we are able to review and approve everything every step of the way. Colors, weight, bleed, sound quality, everything.

Robert Sammelin illustrated the entire set. He carved out months in 2020 to create new art for 15 album covers & back covers, the slipcase, the storage box, slipmat, labels, art print, and all went through rigorous approvals with Toho and various consultants on Japanese cinema

The set is ambitious and no expense has been spared. Cutting corners isn’t our jam. We know you’ll dig it, and we hope it turns even more folks on to Kaiju films and legend composers such as Akira Ifukube!

And we aren’t done yet! Stay tuned here for updates and behind the scenes images as we complete this massive box set! We will be showing printing, vinyl pressing, and more! It’s what we do! Here’s Rob at Stoughton Printing and his son, Number 1 Godzilla fan, Austin!"

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

We sourced the music directly from their archives / original masters.

And there you have it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

We sourced the music directly from their archives / original masters.

This could mean that they used the Perfect Collection album masters (I hope to God not) or faithful transfers of the original elements, or even fresh transfers of the elements.

If they did make new transfers of the tapes, then it would have been a massive undertaking. They would have had to look through the original and copy reels* for each score (except for "King Kong vs. Godzilla" and "Godzilla vs. Gigan"), and compare to see how each cue sounds on the reels, then selecting which sounds best from the two. This was how many of these scores, including the non-Godzilla monster and science fiction scores were released in the past.

For "King Kong vs. Godzilla", they're using the stereo version based on the track list. All they had to do there is transfer the four-track magnetic film elements and mix them down to two-track stereo.

For "Gigan", they would have had to do the same as mentioned in the second paragraph, but with all of the scores that the stock score was pieced together from. They then would have to edit everything based on their use in the film

If they didn't use the Perfect Collection album masters, but faithful tape and magnetic film transfers (either fresh or already made by Toho for their archives), then the process would have been far easier. This would also apply if they used the Perfect Collection album masters.

* Starting with the implementation of magnetic tape recording for film scores in 1954, and up into the '70s, Toho recorded their scores onto two sets of tapes. The first set, the original reels (labeled "Original" in Japanese), were to be used for each respective film. The second set, the copy reels (labeled "Copy" or "Sub" in Japanese), were used for preservation and as backups in case anything on the original set were damaged or accidentally erased.



All of the soundtracks except the first, Godzilla (1954), have never been released on vinyl / in their entirety, until now. We are thrilled to finally unleash soundtracks like Mechagodzilla, Gigan, and Destroy All Monsters, and many more!

This isn't quite accurate, as King Records released an LP of the stereo version of "King Kong vs. Godzilla" in 2014. That release utilized new transfers of the four-track magnetic film elements, though mixed down to two-track stereo for the release. Based on the cue numbers provided with that release, it's complete outside of the source music, which will be included with the Waxwork set judging by their track list.

"Godzilla vs. Hedorah" and "Godzilla vs. Megalon" (the former actually being my favorite Godzilla score) also had LP releases, but I believe those are unmentionables.

 
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