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 Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

I have no issue paying the VAT on imports. It's the Admin charge I take exception to.

In regards to the UK increasing the personal import allowance - it used to be a lot higher but the UK got forced by the EU to reduce it as it was "unfair". Whether after Brexit it will be looked at again, who knows but I doubt it.

That said, I always group purchases - I'd never order just 1 CD as postage for one is no different to 3 so may as well spread it over multiple titles.
I'd also never order from SAE or Varese direct as it's well known they declare the full value and so you might as well be putting a large red flag on the parcel.

As you say, Amazon US allows you to pay the tax in advance which means no admin charge. I expect the paperwork required for this is something which the soundtrack labels just dont have the facility to deal with.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

We Salute You, General Rant!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   CheadleHeathboy1947   (Member)

One of the worst problems associated with this is the exchange rate. Not many years ago, the British pound was worth something like £1:53 to the U.S. dollar. But ever since the Brexit referendum in 2016, the value of the pound against the U.S. dollar has gone down and down until it's now £1:29 to the U.S. Dollar and sometimes even £1:28 and that makes a big difference. There was a time when you could send for a CD or DVD costing over $20 and you wouldn't have to pay duty on it, but those days have gone now.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2019 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Due to postage and various shipping charges i've stopped buying CDs online. As much as i'd love to. And i'm missing out on ace stuff but the cost is too high, i can't justify it. I do buy CDs in stores where i see them. It's a shame but.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

It's difficult to avoid.

Going to European retailers doesn't help that much because they have to add the same costs.

I made the point that Superman the Movie and Archer was going to cost me close to $100 after shipping and customs.

Someone pointed me to get them from a European store where, after shipping, it was going to come to ... guess what, about $100.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

Like SteveP I am a UK (Kent) based collector - a one-time frequentor of Dean Street Records and Movie Boulevard.....not a collector via the web. I too have ranted on here about the cost to buy CDs from the States, and have been told to lump it....and I have. However, recently I have done some work for a lady who visits the US a couple of times a year...and she is bringing me back CDs which I have bought in the US and had delivered to her her friend in Boston. On her last visit she brought me back 15 CDs. The only downside of this is having to wait months for these CDs.

What gets me is that when I sell CDs and send them to the US, the postage is £5.....but when I buy one from the US the postage costs me £10. Something tells me that we are getting screwed over and that someone is making a big profit. I did however read some years ago that all of this is down to the WTO and that postage from the USA was raised 'artificially' to balance out the cheap cost of inward bound mail. Surely this must be hurting the US economy, if it is costing so much to post goods abroad ?? If so, why isn't someone doing something about this ?

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

It's difficult to avoid.

Going to European retailers doesn't help that much because they have to add the same costs.

I made the point that Superman the Movie and Archer was going to cost me close to $100 after shipping and customs.

Someone pointed me to get them from a European store where, after shipping, it was going to come to ... guess what, about $100.

Cheers


I can't agree with you here. Ordering direct from Varese and SAE is a no for me because the UK customer is guaranteed to be taxed. That boosts the costs up, way beyond what you would pay if you bought them from a European supplier. So I simply don't check the Varese and SAE sites anymore.

For LLL, Intrada, Moviemusic and Kritzerland, I will compare the total price with the likes of Chris' Soundtrack Corner, Arksquare, and Music Box. It is surprising how often Arksquare wins out. The shipping is ridiculously low.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

It's difficult to avoid.

Going to European retailers doesn't help that much because they have to add the same costs.

I made the point that Superman the Movie and Archer was going to cost me close to $100 after shipping and customs.

Someone pointed me to get them from a European store where, after shipping, it was going to come to ... guess what, about $100.

Cheers


I can't agree with you here.


Err, okay, but it wasn't an opinion, it was a fact. If you check out the price of ordering Superman the Movie and Archer from Music Box Records, it comes to about $100, the same as it's going to be after duties if ordering it from La-La Land.

I guess the reason is that people like Music Box have to pay duties too and load that on their price.

My repeated experience is that ordering from a European store doesn't make it cheaper.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

It's difficult to avoid.

Going to European retailers doesn't help that much because they have to add the same costs.

I made the point that Superman the Movie and Archer was going to cost me close to $100 after shipping and customs.

Someone pointed me to get them from a European store where, after shipping, it was going to come to ... guess what, about $100.

Cheers


I can't agree with you here.


Err, okay, but it wasn't an opinion, it was a fact.


I was generalising about purchasing from the US. You were generalising about European retailers. That is why I said what i said.

I'm curious to know if I can find that combo cheaper elsewhere now. I might have a look around and see if I can beat $100. I will let you know what I find.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

I have no problems with customs or postal services.
Right now we can buy for 1000 euro (or not more than 30 kg., if I remember correctly) per month without any payment. Yes, right now they plan to reduce it to 100-200 (or in worst variant - for 20) euro per month, but this is not the main problem!
The problem is that our national currency fall down twice since 2014. So while most people still get same payments in our currency as in 2014, people could buy much less, than 5 years ago.
For example, in 2014 my hobby budget was about $225. Right now, with the same sum in rubles, it's just $122.
That's why I buy only important CDs at release time, and for most titles I'm waiting for sales or when they appear in "Danger Zone" (and even in this case I missed some titles, as they gone TOO quickly - yesterday last copies was on stock, today all is gone). frown

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   mistermike   (Member)

If reissues would not bother with the "original soundtrack" on an extra disc, thus reducing the price maybe $5 or $10, would that make people happier (a bit)? I usually consider these discs totally unnecessary, but that's because I likely have them on vinyl (or CD).

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I have no issue paying the VAT on imports. It's the Admin charge I take exception to.

In regards to the UK increasing the personal import allowance - it used to be a lot higher but the UK got forced by the EU to reduce it as it was "unfair". Whether after Brexit it will be looked at again, who knows but I doubt it....


I don't think we have to wait until after Brexit (although, of course, as with all things, we won't know for sure until it happens frown) as I refer you to this HM Government guidance:
Impact assessment

HMRC impact assessment for the VAT treatment of low value parcels
Published 25 February 2019


which states, inter alia:
The changes being introduced: ... It also removes Low Value Consignment Relief (LVCR) which relieves import VAT on commercial imports of goods valued at £15 or less.

whereas:
Before 29 March 2019: ... Low Value Consignment Relief (LVCR) relieves import VAT on commercial imports of goods valued at £15 or less. ...

The document gives details of the reasoning ("level playing-field") but apart from mentioning the likely increase in administration, not too much detail is provided on how, e.g. the Royal Mail is supposed to handle the probable significant increase in taxable parcels - other than indicating that the intention is for the overseas seller to register with HMRC and pay the VAT up-front. I can't see that being a universal solution.

Buy now ... or gamble this won't happen smile
Mitch

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 5:49 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...I am a UK (Kent) based collector ..and she is bringing me back CDs which I have bought in the US and had delivered to her her friend in Boston. On her last visit she brought me back 15 CDs. The only downside of this is having to wait months for these CDs....

I think you've missed the other downside ... this practice is illegal and your lady friend is liable to fines/prosecution. All such goods should be declared to Customs on entry to the UK - see: https://www.gov.uk/duty-free-goods

Personally, I think the good times are over for us collectors. With regard to CDs, etc. being produced in the USA I think we have to recognise that the advertised purchase price is only half, or so, of the actual cost to acquire that physical item. I've cut down on my purchases these last two or three years and purchases from the US are limited to one or two special items only. There are lots of CDs I would have bought a few years ago - a great shame.

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

I have no issue paying the VAT on imports. It's the Admin charge I take exception to.

In regards to the UK increasing the personal import allowance - it used to be a lot higher but the UK got forced by the EU to reduce it as it was "unfair". Whether after Brexit it will be looked at again, who knows but I doubt it....


I don't think we have to wait until after Brexit (although, of course, as with all things, we won't know for sure until it happens frown) as I refer you to this HM Government guidance:
Impact assessment

HMRC impact assessment for the VAT treatment of low value parcels
Published 25 February 2019


which states, inter alia:
The changes being introduced: ... It also removes Low Value Consignment Relief (LVCR) which relieves import VAT on commercial imports of goods valued at £15 or less.

whereas:
Before 29 March 2019: ... Low Value Consignment Relief (LVCR) relieves import VAT on commercial imports of goods valued at £15 or less. ...

The document gives details of the reasoning ("level playing-field") but apart from mentioning the likely increase in administration, not too much detail is provided on how, e.g. the Royal Mail is supposed to handle the probable significant increase in taxable parcels - other than indicating that the intention is for the overseas seller to register with HMRC and pay the VAT up-front. I can't see that being a universal solution.

Buy now ... or gamble this won't happen smile
Mitch


Thank you for that but in the event of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, the prospect of paying import charges on every CD sent from overseas irrespective of value, will be the least of our worries!

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   smuli of finland   (Member)

There should be a Compact Disc record producing plant in Europe. All the major American labels would send their liner notes, album cover art et cetera to that plant digitally. The record plant would then press those discs in limited quantities. Thus, more Europeans can afford to buy these releases. Everybody wins.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 2:17 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)


There should be a Compact Disc record producing plant in Europe. All the major American labels would send their liner notes, album cover art et cetera to that plant digitally. The record plant would then press those discs in limited quantities. Thus, more Europeans can afford to buy these releases. Everybody wins.

Great idea, but this also means that labels also need some European partner, who would be some kind of storage for this CDs, like Colosseum was (back in time, when they were Varese's partner). So I doubt that this could happen... frown

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   panphoto   (Member)

"Thank you for that but in the event of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, the prospect of paying import charges on every CD sent from overseas irrespective of value, will be the least of our worries!"

I agree. This is very bad news for everyone, producers and collectors alike. I've just received a CD from SAE costing £22.61, excluding postage. Arriving in the UK it incurred a total of £13.05 in VAT and 'handling fees'. This is neither reasonable or sustainable, and honestly I don't know what to do.

Could the record companies offer downloads with PDF's for printing up the booklet and inserts etc? Does anyone know - perhaps some companies offer this already?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

I have been ordering CDs from all around the world for about 20 years and I have had to pay customs only once. Until now when my order of The Thin Red Line from La-La-Land got caught by the office. It arrived here to Europe in 4 days and it's been sitting at the post office waiting for custom clearance for more than a week...

So the package just had The Thin Red Line? What was the value displayed on the customs label?


I don't know, I haven't seen the package yet. They just sent me the papers to fill and asked for a copy of the receipt.


Sorry, I didn't read your earlier post properly. Is TRL the only item in it?


Yes, it is. But, unfortunately, it is expensive enough (+ shipping) to be worthy for a little tax/customs payment.


When you get it, I'd be curious to know what the customs label value says. Thanks.


Finally I have received it. The custom label value by La-La-Land shows the real value, 59.96 $. So it seems not only Varese indicates the real value on the package.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

How much in charges did you have to pay Kekey?

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2019 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Finally I have received it. The custom label value by La-La-Land shows the real value, 59.96 $. So it seems not only Varese indicates the real value on the package.

When I saw your original post, that is what I feared. Bad, bad, baaaaaaad news.

So that's Varese, SAE and now LLL that we UK customers have to pay ludicrous Royal Mail fees for.

 
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