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 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

According to their twitter account today in a reply to the same question, they added that "it is not being released on any other format" as far as they know and "if so, then Hasbro would have mentioned it at Toyfair when they unveiled the vinyl".

Disappointing.


Not to say ridiculous. It’s like creating a new Transformer running on a steam engine.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Never before released soundtracks which requires me to invest in antiquated hardware or I can't listen to it. Not to mention I don't have a place for such a set up. Instead of giving us the option of a CD or digital files, someone will rip it and put it online for free instead. Thousands of lost sales.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

Never before released soundtracks which requires me to invest in antiquated hardware or I can't listen to it. Not to mention I don't have a place for such a set up. Instead of giving us the option of a CD or digital files, someone will rip it and put it online for free instead. Thousands of lost sales.

Just let someone else do the work (they will) of putting a nice mastered copy on YouTube and just download it while you wait for someone with a shred of rationale to release the CD. BOOM...free score. I'm fairly certain another producer is gathering a much more complete set for us anyway. In the meantime, to celebrate the stupidity of putting it on an obsolete and inefficient format first...download and enjoy the free music when it pops up.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Never before released soundtracks which requires me to invest in antiquated hardware or I can't listen to it. Not to mention I don't have a place for such a set up. Instead of giving us the option of a CD or digital files, someone will rip it and put it online for free instead. Thousands of lost sales.

Just let someone else do the work (they will) of putting a nice mastered copy on YouTube and just download it while you wait for someone with a shred of rationale to release the CD. BOOM...free score. I'm fairly certain another producer is gathering a much more complete set for us anyway. In the meantime, to celebrate the stupidity of putting it on an obsolete and inefficient format first...download and enjoy the free music when it pops up.


I doubt this post will go down well with the forum admin. I don't want this thread locked, sir.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Never before released soundtracks which requires me to invest in antiquated hardware or I can't listen to it. Not to mention I don't have a place for such a set up. Instead of giving us the option of a CD or digital files, someone will rip it and put it online for free instead. Thousands of lost sales.

Just let someone else do the work (they will) of putting a nice mastered copy on YouTube and just download it while you wait for someone with a shred of rationale to release the CD. BOOM...free score. I'm fairly certain another producer is gathering a much more complete set for us anyway. In the meantime, to celebrate the stupidity of putting it on an obsolete and inefficient format first...download and enjoy the free music when it pops up.


I doubt this post will go down well with the forum admin. I don't want this thread locked, sir.


Yes. Dan, can we not promote and encourage "free music" on a music website, please? While we don't freak out about YouTube generally, putting "nice mastered copies" onto youtube is not something we want to encourage here. Surely we all know this by now.

Thank you.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I have less than zero interest in this music, so this doesn't affect me, but I am sorry for those who have been waiting so long for this music on CD.

I also totally get why it seems looney to release music this way. My turntable is in the attic, gathering dust.

But to many millions of people, CDs are completely non-existent. Music exists in two ways: Digitally, via streaming (or download in a pinch), or physically on LPs. Feel free to call these people clueless, or hipsters, or whatever name you like. But CDs hold no appeal to them – if you're going to get digital music files, why bother with the ugly clutter of CDs when it can simply stream to your stereo or your phone (or load them onto your hard drive, sometimes in high resolution)? An LP, on the other hand, is tangible (the analog sounds that come from it feel more substantial than the ones and zeros on a plastic disc). The effort required to play it and actually listen to it is a feature, not a bug.

Of the twenty people I work with (most of whom are in their twenties and thirties), only two have dedicated CD players. (Several have gaming systems that can play CDs, though they don't use them for that.) Seven have turntables. (Two of those are the people who have CD players.)

Roll your eyes all you want. But this is real, and many of those people are as mystified that we would want a CD as we are by what they want.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Neseri   (Member)

Their problem for being unable to comprehend that not everyone wants music on a hyper-fragile format. Furthermore, there was ZERO demand for this to be on the vinyl. Absolute ZERO.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Millions of people are not going to buy this. Millions of people do not want this. The target audience for the niche market of score fans, within a niche market of animated TV series scoring, is not millions of people.

It's irrelevant what millions of people are buying what in what formats, all that matters of what the people who are going to buy this, want. And as another member noted (I think this thread) ever comments he's seen from the fans are people asking for a CD.

Are those the minority? Are the fans more into LP's? We'll see.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Millions of people are not going to buy this. Millions of people do not want this. The target audience for the niche market of score fans, within a niche market of animated TV series scoring, is not millions of people.

It's irrelevant what millions of people are buying what in what formats, all that matters of what the people who are going to buy this, want. And as another member noted (I think this thread) ever comments he's seen from the fans are people asking for a CD.

Are those the minority? Are the fans more into LP's? We'll see.


Judging by this, the majority want CDs, and they are not pleased.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/original-generation-1-score-to-be-released-on-vinyl-on-march-9-2018.1064858/page-22

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

You're right, Justin. Millions of people will not be buying a 2000 copy item.

Neseri, if there is zero demand, then zero copies will be sold, and they will lose their investment.

litefoot, I have not read even a tiny fraction of those posting in the link you provided, but I quickly saw several that were eager for vinyl, and prefer it. But the truth is, every single person upset about this is irrelevant if they sell out their 2000 copies. Which my hunch is they will.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   kam   (Member)

I remain cautiously optimistic that this will eventually receive a CD/digital release, though if it does it may not happen for a few more months yet. Wasn't La-La Land announcing their vinyl releases 2-3 months in advance because the turn-around time for LP manufacturing was significantly longer than for CDs?

However, I'm not going to chance it and I will buy the LP come Friday at 12 noon Eastern, even if I can't play it at this time. I was interested in picking up the Ace Ventura CD EnjoyTheRide Records put out anyway.

If a CD does come, it's possible it could be through Intrada as they previously released the movie's score, also controlled by Sony. I looked at two Transformers message boards earlier and at least half of the comments are people saying they're not buying an LP and would rather have CD or digital.

But really, it would be nice if Hasbro could get their act together and partner up with one of the labels to get their vaults open. Marie Navarro is their executive in charge of music. And I'll just add, a number of Hasbro corporate/employee email addresses were leaked recently due to hackers...

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

SchiffyM:
You're right, Justin. Millions of people will not be buying a 2000 copy item.


You're the one who brought up what millions of people want in what kind of format style, in a thread with a release limited to 2,000 units.

Did the pandas tell you to leave out that comma? I ask in jest.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Guys, I seriously don't mean to be argumentative. Honestly, my only point is there's a prevailing attitude around here that is "Why would these labels be so clueless to release anything in a dead format that nobody wants?!"

Believe me, I don't want LPs. But a lot of physical music consumers do. That's just the way it is.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Neseri   (Member)


Neseri, if there is zero demand, then zero copies will be sold, and they will lose their investment.


Twist it any way you want, but fact remains that no one was asking for a vinyl release.


But really, it would be nice if Hasbro could get their act together and partner up with one of the labels to get their vaults open. Marie Navarro is their executive in charge of music. And I'll just add, a number of Hasbro corporate/employee email addresses were leaked recently due to hackers...


That advert wasn't really telling the truth when stating "from Hasbro's vaults". All this stuff was in Rob Walsh's possession.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

We are currently not working on a transformers release nor do I forsee one in the future.

The current marketplace is as such

No one at the studios or labels care about cds any more. To them its dead. The only physical product they want to focus on is vinyl. We had to make a deal recently where we had to agree to do a vinyl pressing in order to get the rights for a CD release.

They say it's hard out there being a pimp, but I think it's even harder being a soundtrack producer who only wants to focus on CD releases.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

No one at the studios or labels care about cds any more. To them its dead. The only physical product they want to focus on is vinyl. We had to make a deal recently where we had to agree to do a vinyl pressing in order to get the rights for a CD release.


I will never understand this backward thinking. Let's only release an inferior product that should have died a LONG time ago.

Like many have said before, I can't wait for the 8-track revolution. :thumbsdown:

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Neseri   (Member)

We had to make a deal recently where we had to agree to do a vinyl pressing in order to get the rights for a CD release.


Yeesh! That's blackmail! O.o
Thank you guys for not giving up on CD's.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

We had to make a deal recently where we had to agree to do a vinyl pressing in order to get the rights for a CD release.


Yeesh! That's blackmail! O.o
Thank you guys for not giving up on CD's.


 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

They don't see the CD market exists for specialty labels still?

To quote an old beer commercial: "That's pretty thick headed..."

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   kam   (Member)

To quote an old beer commercial: "That's pretty thick headed..."

Not just beer, but root beer.





I want a root beer now...

 
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