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Apr 18, 2021 - 7:47 PM
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Jeyl
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Also, somebody was complaining about how Indy apparently knew magically to close his eyes - not quite true. He’s very familiar with the story as shown in the University scene, the picture in the book clearly shows dangerous flames and electricity killing people from which people are shielding their eyes
While there are some people who are shielding their eyes in the picture, it's hardly conveying the idea that doing so would protect you from the Ark's power. They could be shielding their eyes because it's bright. You don't need a scientist (Or archeologist) to warn you about that.
AND it’s fair to assume that Indy, having been to Sunday school, is familiar with closing your eyes to humble yourself to God, if for no other reason than it’s representation of faith and that you don’t need to SEE it to BELIEVE it.
I'm sure that a lot of folk aren't people of faith so having to know what Sunday schools teach children should not be a requirement to understand an action and adventure movie. This argument is akin to saying that you should read a manual in order to understand what is going on which is never a good thing.
But if you want 2010s, Marvel-level of exposition answering the Washington men’s question of “What’s that?” then yeah you might be disappointed they didn’t ram it down your throat with “Oh those are bolts of lightning that shoot out of the ark when it’s opened. See, ghosts and spirits emerge and you must close your eyes to protect yourself from getting zapped. Pretty heavy stuff. Um, Star lord Star lord - Robert Downey Jr quip?”
Exposition is not a bad word. Used properly it can even add a bit of character. Take 'The Princess Bride' for example.
Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.
Man in Black: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.
Simple, funny and memorable! That exchange barely lasted 10 seconds and it told us everything we need to know about what transpired. No quips at all. Imagine how that movie would play out if that exchange wasn't there. That's what Raiders' ending feels like to me.
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I enjoy THE PRINCESS BRIDE a lot.
But those lines you can only get away with in a spoof. It is not exposition but filling in information after surprising the audience with an unexpected twist, thereby actually cheating the audience.
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I enjoy THE PRINCESS BRIDE a lot.
But those lines you can only get away with in a spoof. It is not exposition but filling in information-
Exposition. You just described it. To convey information. And the Princess Bride is not a spoof.
I’m not saying exposition is bad. In fact that entire Washington Men scene in the University IS exposition. BUT - it’s very subtle because it’s mixed in with a lot of other stuff.
Marvel, Batman (and NCIS or other tv dramas) use exposition IN the moment to get to the NEXT SCENE. That’s bad because it’s not a setup with a long-term payoff and doesn’t reveal anything about character.
In Raiders however, that exposition kicks off the adventure and doesn’t really become relevant until waaaay later in the film. It also serves the purpose of character development - we get to know Indiana Jones through his mannerisms, how OTHERS relate to him, what his emotional response is to Abner Ravenwood, the gravity of the situation conveyed by Brody - AND the Washington guys play off this stuff by reacting - when Brody sets up the “wiped clean by the wrath of God” it melodramatically tells the audience this is serious, but then one of the Washington guys rolls his eyes, which grounds it. That kind of back and forth develops THEMES and CHARACTERS.
Watch that scene again - it’s truly a masterful example of how to deliver “exposition” while also advancing the plot, developing characters, and setting an emotional tone.
The whole scene thrives on the really nice interplay between all the characters with a lot of push/pull. You have the two Washington Men - one is bullish, skeptical and highly observant - the other is overly-polite, slightly gullible and aloof. MUCH of the scene is driven by them playing off each other, and the GAZE of the bullish one drives the focus and tone of the scene. Indy goes from gracious professorial host to nerdy professor to lost in his own thoughts while Marcus plays the to-the-point authority figure with a bit too much of a dramatic touch.
That's masterful exposition, written out as an actual scene.
Also, Princess Bride is not a “parody” BUT it’s a heightened version of reality as a fairy tale. That exposition is campy but fits the storybook tone.
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Jesus christ people- One of film's greatest composers is about to write what may be one of his last scores and you all act like you'd rather have Daft Punk rip off Jean-Michel Jarre again and loop on synthesizers for two hours.
Enough!
Bring on the John Williams, and (please, John) a c&c score release when the movie's released.
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Hoping for a great movie and a great score next year. It can be done. Just hoping they pull it off.
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I realize the internet is a haven for unfounded cynicism. But really guys?
The Walt Disney Company is a gigantic corporation with many brands appealing to the gamut of demographics, and has been for a very long time. And yet here we treat it like they’re still defined mostly by The Little Mermaid.
Believe me, there is not a person involved in this movie who isn’t very well aware that Harrison Ford is forty years older now than he was forty years ago.
As for the idea that this is “just setting up the franchise for a new face,” I just don’t see it. This movie will cost somewhere in the $200 million range to make. That’s awfully expensive for a set-up. Further, what defines Indiana Jones is Harrison Ford. I think they learned with Solo that what people loved about Han Solo was not Han Solo but Harrison Ford as Han Solo.
Obviously, there is not one rule that applies across the board, and people once said that James Bond couldn’t survive once Sean Connery left. But Indiana Jones is also defined by a time period that they’ve long since left behind. I don’t know when this new movie is going to take place – maybe the ‘70s? (I’m guessing that they avoid this incongruity by having most of the film take place in jungles and ancient ruins, which feel more timeless.) So yes, they could pass the baton to a new Indy, but unless he also goes back in time (and of course, anything’s possible), they’d probably be better off just restarting in the 1930s, wouldn’t they?
I have no idea if this film will be good. But I hope it is.
These are all my thoughts exactly. Thank you.
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Indy V taking place in the 70‘s would actually be a great idea.
The time of the best conspiracy thrillers mixed with a hero who does not feel he belongs in that world anymore. Love it!
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Indy V taking place in the 70‘s would actually be a great idea.
The time of the best conspiracy thrillers mixed with a hero who does not feel he belongs in that world anymore. Love it!
That is interesting. I wonder if the Soviet Union will still be the main antagonist against whatever artifact he is hunting down.
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Apr 22, 2021 - 10:22 AM
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John Mullin
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If Adventure Has A Name, It Must Be...WOODSTOCK
That was the plan I was working on for INDY 5, which I had titled INDIANA JONES AND THE SUMMER OF LOVE.
I didn't get much further than having a geriatric Indy punching hippies, but it was a solid start, I thought. The plan was that he would be racing against a reconsistuted group of Nazis who had been in hiding in South America to find some supernatural native American object in upstate New York. When they get there, Woodstock has just started. Indy gets really, really baked and has to make his way through the crowd, including skinny dipping, taking LSD, and enjoying the freedoms that come with readily available birth control. At one point an ex Nazi is JUST ABOUT to get Indy, but Jimi Hendrix hits a high note on his performance of the national anthem, and makes the Nazi's head explode. A nearby Wavy Gravy exclaims, "Far out, man!" after it happens.
My other big idea was that if you set it a few years later, you can Indy stumble into the Watergate investigation somehow. In that one, I was thinking we could go full Rise Of Skywalker and have Indy face off against Mola Ram. Apparently he DIDN'T die when he fell down the chasm in TEMPLE OF DOOM and was clearly eaten by alligators, and now... he's BACK, albeit, he's 90 years old now. He's reassembled the Thugee cult and wants revenge against Indy!
Lots of incredible ideas here that are totally worth making about a 79 year old action hero.
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I got an incredibly odd idea for an Indy film. There's little action, there's little adventure.
Indy is old. He's in an old folks home now. He thinks he recognizes one of the old people as a Nazi war criminal. Indy's son finds out said Nazi reportedly has stolen valuables of Jews. Now the hunt is one.
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Yea
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That was the plan I was working on for INDY 5, which I had titled INDIANA JONES AND THE SUMMER OF LOVE.
I didn't get much further than having a geriatric Indy punching hippies, but it was a solid start, I thought. The plan was that he would be racing against a reconsistuted group of Nazis who had been in hiding in South America to find some supernatural native American object in upstate New York. When they get there, Woodstock has just started. Indy gets really, really baked and has to make his way through the crowd, including skinny dipping, taking LSD, and enjoying the freedoms that come with readily available birth control. At one point an ex Nazi is JUST ABOUT to get Indy, but Jimi Hendrix hits a high note on his performance of the national anthem, and makes the Nazi's head explode. A nearby Wavy Gravy exclaims, "Far out, man!" after it happens.
Finally - a sensible, entertaining Indy [strikethru]milking[/strikethru] sequel idea.
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"Indy? Indy's not here, man."
"Indiana Jones 5: Dude, Where's My Artifact?"
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