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 Posted:   Dec 30, 2011 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Wow this stuff is Awesome!

I had seen about 5 minutes of Mephisto Sessions from a Tony Thomas Documentary but never this much and this extensive.

Jerry is fascinating to watch.

Thanks to PRMancini for posting to youtube!

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUsI9RNUbZg&feature=related

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2011 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

That was truly amazing! I can't remember ever seeing Jerry conducting a score pre-90's...he had such intensity and was so sure of what he wanted during a session. So cool to hear interactions with him and Lionel Newman...and fascinating to see the final dub, sure doesn't happen like that anymore wink

Thanks a million for linking that Zoob...best thing I've seen on YouTube!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2011 - 8:21 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

What a blessing to be able to watch the man at work, and from a time when he wasn't afraid to push the envelope. There were moments when Goldsmith was not only channeling the music through his body, but physically straining himself to communicate everything he wanted to the musicians. The man vibrated with passion!

And it's very cool to see the some of the same musicians as were present during The River Wild sessions from 23 years later (such as one of the violinists, not Kaufman). I believe this same violin player can be seen in the Star Trek V recording too.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2011 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Mr. Zooba Sir.. you are awesome!

Thanks for posting this wonderful look behind the scenes with Jerry. It would have been great with a lesser composer, but with Jerry... Awesome!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2011 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Incredible footage!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2011 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Great! It has been so long sice I've seen THE SCORE,which I believe is the name of this documentary without the credits. But there is also why we lost Jerry 10 years before we should have, those constant cigarettes. Oh, well, fantastic seeing this again.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2011 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)


And it's very cool to see the some of the same musicians as were present during The River Wild sessions from 23 years later (such as one of the violinists, not Kaufman). I believe this same violin player can be seen in the Star Trek V recording too.

-Rick O.


I think that was Paul Shure, Goldsmith's concertmaster on many scores.

This is a great find. Goldsmith definitely had more of an "edge" to his personality in those years, but it's understandable, given the complexity and intensity of the work. (And did any other film composer demonstrate the range of the cuica so well?)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Goldsmith must have been around 42 or 43 years old at that point.

So fun to see him smiling and saying "That's good, That's good!"

He looked in great shape and like he was really happy. Was that when he had just met Carol?

1971 or 1972.

Love it when he says "That's what I want!"


Such a treasure of footage.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Goldsmith must have been around 42 or 43 years old at that point.

So fun to see him smiling and saying "That's good, That's good!"

He looked in great shape and like he was really happy. Was that when he had just met Carol?

1971 or 1972.

Love it when he says "That's what I want!"


Such a treasure of footage.


Yes, indeed, invaluable footage which should have been more easily accessible before its deposit onto YouTube.

Glad it's posted!

Attempting to sort this bit of Goldsmith chronology, I'm guessing THE MEPHISTO WALTZ recording sessions took place sometime during the winter of '70/'71.

Observing recording date data from soundtrack CDs and comparing such with films' release dates at IMDB, it appears that, on the average, recording sessions for films commence about 3 months prior to their premieres.
This is not an etched-in-stone rule, since the distribution of some films can be postponed for any number of reasons and in other cases (like ST:TMP) the final recordings were completed in a mere week or so before the premiere!

However, knowing that Jerry Goldsmith completed recording for RIO LOBO in October of 1970, it seems THE MEPHISTO WALTZ sessions could have been anytime within November or December of 1970 or in January of 1971. [THE MEPHISTO WALTZ premiered in April of 1971]
It's also fascinating to learn from this documentary how the final mix-down to a single track of dialogue, music, and sound effects in itself took at least 2 weeks (perhaps that was in February of '71?).

Anyway, it's likely that Goldsmith's work on MEPHISTO was already completed and in the can by his 42nd birthday in Feb '71.

Goldsmith may have immediately afterwards done the TV movie A STEP OUT OF LINE around this time (A STEP OUT OF LINE was broadcast Feb 26, 1971).

Another interesting tidbit: when THE MEPHISTO WALTZ was first shown on April 9th, 1971, that day Goldsmith was back at Fox studios recording his music for ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I wish there were more of this kind of stuff. Fascinating.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Fantastic!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Another interesting tidbit: when THE MEPHISTO WALTZ was first shown on April 9th, 1971, that day Goldsmith was back at Fox studios recording his music for ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES! smile

Oh man - how great would it be to see footage from THOSE sessions?!?! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

This is one of the most fascinating looks at film scoring I've seen. Thanks Zoob!

I was very surprised to see Goldsmith at the dubbing sessions. I had always assumed that after the score was recorded the composer was pretty much finished with the project unless he needed to re-record some cues later. After that, I thought the music was turned over to the music editor and editor for the dubbing and editing process. Was a composer being at the dubbing sessions a common practice then, or something specific to this film or ones like it where the music is such an integral part of the film's storyline? Inquiring minds want to know!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Leland   (Member)

But there is also why we lost Jerry 10 years before we should have, those constant cigarettes. Oh, well, fantastic seeing this again.

Composing for films can be an unhealthy job.
Even if you don't smoke - surrounded by all the electronic stuff, this can damage your body & soul, too.

There were multiple factors that caused Jerry Goldsmith's death.

If you smoke tabaco, smoke cigars only.
Never cigarettes.
They contain all the poisenous junk, incl. filters and paper.

Nice footage, btw.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Great stuff. In my opinion THE MEPHISTO WALTZ comes at THE peak of the peak period of innovative Goldsmith scoring (which for me is from roughly 1967 to 1978, with the Everest of the Himalayas round about '70-'71.... MEPHISTO, A STEP OUT OF LINE, ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES... such an amazing run).

The video tended to support what I always thought, that Jerry Goldsmith poured all his intellect and stamina into every little detail of the scores he was doing back then. He also seemed to be much more articulate when speaking in those days. In later years my impression is that he kind of got comfortable, found peace of mind, and relaxed instead of sweating away and torturing himself about how to get it right. Which is understandable, but from my own selfish point of view a pity.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

WOW. Stunning!

I think there was just more benefit in those days to working your arse off. You knew the music was going to be treated with respect, and mixed into the film with the needs of the composer in mind.

Nowadays the sound effects are so much better - read: realistic - that music just isn't that necessary, other than to propel action or accentuate scares.

That's not to say Goldsmith put any less effort in at the end, because I don't believe he did.

PS. There's still a definitive CD of Mephisto Waltz waiting to happen. The Varese CD is missing electronic overlays that are clearly audible on the boot. Bring it on!

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Michaelware   (Member)

That's awesome. I had that footage on vhs but I lost the tape.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Nowadays the sound effects are so much better - read: realistic - that music just isn't that necessary, other than to propel action or accentuate scares.


LOL!

So THAT'S what led to the decline of film music.

The sound effects have just gotten too good!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

LOL!
So THAT'S what led to the decline of film music.
The sound effects have just gotten too good!


It's certainly a factor, yes. There's less room on the soundtrack for the composer to do anything. Take a listen to the DC of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. They added bridge sounds, and other sound effects, and Goldsmith's score sounds almost too "in the way" now.

The purpose of film music is different. That's what has led to the perceived decline. Only composers such as Williams, who's relationship to Spielberg hasn't really changed all that much of the years, are immune.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2011 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I like the part at about 16:00 into it, where the music seems to depict a showdown between the shark from "Jaws" and the murderous "mother" from "Psycho."

 
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