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May 20, 2009 - 8:26 PM
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Love this score, too... though I must say I am more than happy with the current release.
I wish I could say the same. I mean, don't get me wrong: I'm very happy that we got what we got. But there's some very good material absent from the score album. The track "Mowgli" is an edit of three parts of two cues, shuffled all around (when the original cues were quite good in their entirety). The music for Mowgli sliding down the bank after "Shere Khan Attacks" (also tracked into the waterfall jump cue) is absent. The lovely cue in the dancing scene where the Blue Danube Waltz segues to the love theme is sadly absent, and there are whole chunks of the score not represented on album. I could go into more depth, but for now, I'll say this: I heard Poledouris said that he recorded about 88 minutes of music, and if that is true, I estimate that on top of the unreleased material used in the film, there are at least a good 10 to 13 minutes of unused and/or alternate material--and that's not counting parts that were tracked (and there is at least one). I think a complete release could be revelatory, to say the least.
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May 20, 2009 - 9:41 PM
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Matt B
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I wish I could say the same. I mean, don't get me wrong: I'm very happy that we got what we got. But there's some very good material absent from the score album. The track "Mowgli" is an edit of three parts of two cues, shuffled all around (when the original cues were quite good in their entirety). The music for Mowgli sliding down the bank after "Shere Khan Attacks" (also tracked into the waterfall jump cue) is absent. The lovely cue in the dancing scene where the Blue Danube Waltz segues to the love theme is sadly absent, and there are whole chunks of the score not represented on album. I could go into more depth, but for now, I'll say this: I heard Poledouris said that he recorded about 88 minutes of music, and if that is true, I estimate that on top of the unreleased material used in the film, there are at least a good 10 to 13 minutes of unused and/or alternate material--and that's not counting parts that were tracked (and there is at least one). I think a complete release could be revelatory, to say the least.
Say no more, I'm with you for an expanded release now.
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May 21, 2009 - 6:49 AM
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vorlonb4
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Thats odd that, because I've found times where I've reviewed the album, then seen the film afterwards, years later and thought was I right there saying that? etc etc.
Take Powder as an example, 30 minute typical Varese at the time and whilst I loved the main theme I couldn't engage with some of the other tracks on the disk. And frankly it left me a little cold. Hence ** stars
Years later I finally got to see the film, and it changed my thoughts on how Goldsmith had thought about the film, the character,the tragedy at the end,or is it?
I wouldn't give it **** or ***** even now but may be, in hindsight I may not have given it a ** back then, more likely ***.
After all Film music composers write for the film,not for us and to my mind if you don't take into context the film you may not understand the score as well as you might thought you had.
Take DR Who Season IV the way Murray Gold tackles the Agatha Christie episode,listening to it cold makes you wonder whats going on here? Small chamber orchestra,giving it a early british feel to the music,cryptic scary, and really unlike anything in the DR Who cannon apart from The Family of BLood. It gives clues away from the TV, however having seen the episode in all its glory (big wasp and all!) it works perfectly.
I could go on and on,however for me Thor I have now to see the film before I review the score as it helps me to place the music both as a standalone CD and with the film.
Because you can get the misnomer of a score that works in the film, yet fails to translate the excitement on to CD. By missing out some important tracks that shape your understanding of the characters in the film.
Masada is a case in point. There is a ton of music missing from that CD and frankly it is not a reflection on what that TV mini series really sold to you. The barrage of the roman forces including the burning of the gate - all missing from that CD.
If I was using the star system now orig CD ***1/2 expanded **** , provided of course they got the amount of tracks and balance right.
Long answer but I hope it gives you a reason why not to just look at the score on CD.
after all you can miss some of the best bits:-)
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The great thing about music on its own is that you don't really have to "understand" it. You just feel it.
I'm not sure about that. Surely when music is in situ with image, then it needs no explanation, but without image it should be evaluated by its ability to depict alone without image. So it requires MORE 'understanding' thus, especially if the score is contextual to situation, place, period, etc..
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May 23, 2009 - 8:05 AM
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Thor
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I'm not sure about that. Surely when music is in situ with image, then it needs no explanation, but without image it should be evaluated by its ability to depict alone without image. So it requires MORE 'understanding' thus, especially if the score is contextual to situation, place, period, etc..
As music itself is non-representational, 'understanding' is the wrong word to use. Feelings, associations, connotations, however, are fair game.
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I'm staying out of the debate...for now. But suffice it to say I'm pleasantly surprised to find I'm agreeing and disagreeing with parts of both sides in this particular discussion. Interesting.