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 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

There's a scene about halfway through the movie where Johnny Alucard seduces a victim

Would this be the first black female victim of vampirism @ Hammer?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   marcgothic   (Member)

I remember reading that in LSOH also. A little bit of James Bernard from Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed was used when Van Helsing is matching the Alucard letters to Dracula on paper. Also I believe a little Harry Robbinson - Vampire Lovers is used during the beginning during the Hyde Park scene. Other than that I believe Vickers score is used throughout. I don't think any of Don Banks music is used. And from what I heard, Philip Martell was sick when he gave that interview so his memory might have been off. Maybe it was Banks music that was used on the LP.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Anyway, to the questions -

1) Is this track on the CD?

2) Even if it isn't, does anyone know if it was written by Mike Vickers, or could it be from library sources?

Final question is actually from me. Is it true that Don Banks was called in to redo about half the score? I can't hear the hand of Banks at all in any of the score, but that's what Philip Martell claimed in an interview in "Little Shoppe of Horrors" (later quoted by Randall Larson in his book "Music From the House of Hammer"). Martell states in the same interview that, in addition to Banks' rewriting, much of Vickers' score was actuallly dumped in favour of library tracks. Something doesn't ring true there... Does Mr Larson clarify the issue in his liner notes?

Thanks!


1) The answer is no, Graham, that LP jazz source is not included in the BuySoundtrax CD

2) Have no idea who wrote that source music. frown

I've read about Don Banks ghost writing for DRACULA A.D. 1972, but I don't know if that's true.
I consider it unlikely that Banks (who I think had returned to Australia by 1970) would work for Hammer again just to help out, without credit, Philip Martell.
There do exist some shorter musical passages in the film which I think did not make it onto the album, though. (perhaps those musical scene transitions were done by Banks?)

Speaking for myself, I can detect only 2 instances of library stock being used: brief snippets of THE VAMPIRE LOVERS by Harry Robinson are used within the prologue (Hyde Park 1872).

If Mike Vickers did get an assist, it would sound more to me like Robinson doing the ghost-writing rather than Don Banks. We won't learn one way or another from BSX's liner notes, as they are silent on the entire issue of the ghost-writing for Vickers (Vickers himself contributed to this soundtrack album ...)

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I must confess, I don't watch it often because it's rubbish.


It's lovely Don Houghton-written rubbish!

Don Houghton wrote 2 of my favorite Jon Pertwee DOCTOR WHO serials (INFERNO & THE MIND OF EVIL). Houghton gives many doses of sitcom-style one-liners in DRACULA A.D. 1972 that entice me for repeat viewings!

"I haven't read any good tombstones lately!"

"You know what I like about you, Auntie? ... You remind me of my father!"

Also, Ken Russell's lighting cameraman Dick Bush had lensed DRACULA A.D. 1972 - and I think it's just great.

Stephanie Beacham's cleavage looks as though they'll have a wardrobe accident when she wears her white ceremonial garb ... plus we get to see Caroline Munro, too.

What's not to like, Stephen? wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

What's not to like, Stephen? wink

The score maybe? Sorry, but Cacavas' Satanic Rites is LEAGUES better. No discourtesy to Vickers who was hired to provide a certain kind of commercial sound which he delivered, so he's not at fault. But Cacavas' effort has proper film music balls (as Fred Steiner might have said wink)

I like Houghton as a writer too. Someone once pointed out that his Dracula movies feel like Pertwee Dr. Whos with Van Helsing and Dracula standing in for the Doctor and the Master. It's a pity he wasn't allowed to make Dracula as witty as the Master though. But I guess that's what makes the Dracula character a bit of a bore for me - he ain't allowed to be witty! God knows there's scope, but the schmuck is always SO serious. Pity.

Enter George Hamilton... wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

To Tone row- In America Blacula came out months before DRacula 1972,a.d, it might have been filmed before as well, Off the top of my head a movie Bloodseekers[ British Greek] in 71, was there not a black male victim.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Please pass on to Mr Watt:

From my new interview with Mike Vickers for these album notes:

Q: Philip Martel claimed that he brought in composer Don Banks to partly re-record some elements of the DRACULA AD 1972 score. Any veracity to this - and your thoughts about that?

Vickers: I don't know of any Don Banks involvement. I haven't noticed any orchestral music in the movie which isn't mine, or which sounds different from the original recordings. Phil Martell insisted that I use only standard conductor-friendly tempi. And I don't think he liked my music very much. One example : he complained about the resurrection music during playback, while the movie's producer Josephine Douglas seemed quite excited by it. It's better to please the producer than the conductor, I think.


Regarding the "Putting on the LP" music, I don't recall that cue specifically, and without the film's cue sheets handy or watching the film anew, I can say positively if it was a Vickers' track or library music. Vickers did use a lot of keyboard and sax in the score so it is likely that he may have recorded that track for the picture. I do not believe that cue is on our album. I'll see if I can review the DVD later as time allows and make a better distinction.

-rdl
--
Randall D Larson
Independent Soundtrax Columnist, buysoundtrax.com





Didn't anyone take the time to read the notes before posting here.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2012 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Thanks for setting the 'record' straight Ford.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2012 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Q: Philip Martel claimed that he brought in composer Don Banks to partly re-record some elements of the DRACULA AD 1972 score. Any veracity to this - and your thoughts about that?

Vickers: I don't know of any Don Banks involvement. I haven't noticed any orchestral music in the movie which isn't mine, or which sounds different from the original recordings.


This question, and the first sentence of Vickers' answer, are not printed in the album's liner notes.

What does appear in print is from this point on:

"Phil Martell insisted that I use only standard conductor-friendly tempi. And I don't think he liked my music very much. One example : he complained about the resurrection music during playback, while the movie's producer Josephine Douglas seemed quite excited by it. It's better to please the producer than the conductor, I think."


[the name of Don Banks doesn't appear within the album booklet]

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2012 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Right-oh! Thanks to all so far.

marcgothic - That's interesting about the snippets of James Bernard and Harry Robinson being tracked in briefly... I'd never noticed that before. And yes, if Philip Martell's health problems were accelerating at the time of the interview, it's possible that his memory was affected.

ToneRow - Oh right, so Don Banks had already returned to Australia by the time the film was made... Yes, I think we can rule out Banks' involvement. I always thought there was something fishy about that.

Thanks to Randall Larson via Ford T - It would be great if you could identify the source cue I mentioned in my initial post. My feeling too is that it may be by Vickers himself... Didn't Mike Vickers play the sax in his pop-rock career? Much more subdued than anything I've heard from Manfred Mann though. Still, it would be nice to get some confirmation as to how that track came about, then I can pass on the info to the chap over at British Horror Films who wanted to know where it came from...

As for not reading the liner notes - guilty as charged, but I've got an excuse - I don't have the CD! I think the score's pretty awful myself!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2012 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I always loved James Bernard and his scores, i was not offended and hurt by this different sound in that wonderful series, then and now i still think it is a fine score, main theme a addictive classic, movie too is much underated.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2014 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

A beautifully realized CD of an often underated Hammer score.

A couple of tracks even had a strong John Barry flavor.


I agree, particularly the quieter, more suspenceful tracks. I also thought there was even some vibes from Ron Grainer's The Omega Man. Devils Circle Music reminded me of The Opening Of The Sighs from Suspiria so I guess its possible Goblin could have been influenced by this one? Great score.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2014 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Listening to this makes me wish John Barry had scored a Dracula film.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2014 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Of course, John Barry never scored a Hammer film per se. For one thing, they almost certainly couldn't afford him. For another, he would almost certainly not have agreed with been 'supervised' by Philip Martell.

But, if you watch "FOLLOW ME", there is a scene where Mia Farrow goes into the cinema and, with her, we watch just a short snippet of (I believe) "BRIDES OF DRACULA". Clearly, they couldn't clear the original Hammer soundtrack, so this sequence is scored by John Barry.

It's not on the "FOLLOW ME" soundtrack album though and I'd give up hope of there ever being an expanded CD release of that title.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2014 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Never say never Stephen. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2014 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

I love this album. Even the pop songs at the end.
I was disappointed to read that Tr 5 is a needle-drop (but it's a good one).


This disc is a regular listen for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2014 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Someone PLEASE release AT THE EARTH'S CORE and WARLORDS OF ATLANTIS!!!

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2014 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

Someone PLEASE release AT THE EARTH'S CORE and WARLORDS OF ATLANTIS!!!

If only that were possible!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2014 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Someone PLEASE release AT THE EARTH'S CORE and WARLORDS OF ATLANTIS!!!

If only that were possible!


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