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 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)


hello

here are the links to the 1980 one hour BBC documentary on john williams scoring THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.

Great and unique work !

enjoy

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SonS8tQ2zA
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20GxZnyEji4
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns5MPn6pq4k
part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW0iN4JiV48
part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xsujnj2N0U
part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgCveDXZPCo

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Indeed, that's a GREAT documentary that I've had for many years on CD-R. Maybe the closest thing we got to a pure Williams documentary (that goes beyond DVD special feature segments).

Don't you find it amazing that no real documentary has been made on Williams - arguably the greatest film composer of all time - nor a book (except for one in Spanish that is both hard-to-get and impossible to read for most of us)?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Indeed, that's a GREAT documentary that I've had for many years on CD-R. Maybe the closest thing we got to a pure Williams documentary (that goes beyond DVD special feature segments).

Don't you find it amazing that no real documentary has been made on Williams - arguably the greatest film composer of all time - nor a book (except for one in Spanish that is both hard-to-get and impossible to read for most of us)?



I totally agree with you.
the best director for a documentary on John Williams would be - obviously - Steven Spielberg.
Recollections and scoring sessions footage he has shot over the years must be incredible to watch.

Laurent Bouzereau could also make a great documentary.

time will tell

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I totally agree with you.
the best director for a documentary on John Williams would be - obviously - Steven Spielberg.
Recollections and scoring sessions footage he has shot over the years must be incredible to watch.


Indeed. Just like the THE RIVER WILD scoring sessions footage on the Goldsmith DVD, except that we will obviously be treated to better films (and scores).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Wow. This is GOLD. I never wanted it to end. Some very interesting alternate dialogue and orchestral performances from Empire. Thank you very much for the link.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

Sure, Spielberg really owns him a big documentary... before it's too late.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

(and scores).

Unless we're talking about Jaws, ha! Thanks for the laugh, Thor. Needed it.

DH

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Unless we're talking about Jaws, ha! Thanks for the laugh, Thor. Needed it.

THE RIVER WILD is certainly a mediocre Goldsmith score by any standard...I wish they could have been present on some other scoring session with a BETTER film and BETTER score, but hey - that was what he was working on at the time the film was being made, so... (disregarding the quality of the music or the film, it was still very interesting to see him "do his stuff").

But hey - I REFUSE to turn this into yet another Williams vs. Goldsmith thread!

The point was simply that I would like to see Williams scoring session footage that is as thorough as the Goldsmith one. All we get - in this BBC documentary and elsewhere - are a few clips and most of them are drowned in voice-over or cut off after a few seconds.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

The BBC also did an excellent documentary a few years later, called "Personal Notes: John Williams" which consisted of Andre Previn interviewing Mr. Williams, with acompanying film clips.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Maybe BBC3 or BBC4 will unearth it if we're lucky in the UK. :crosses fingers:

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2007 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

THE RIVER WILD is certainly a mediocre Goldsmith score by any standard.

Defend one, actually. But with respect to the fundamental standard in film music--complementariness--The River Wild excels. Jerry's score, in individual scenes and across them [pay attention Williams fans], is superb. Extremely well-thought out in concept and execution, with innovative, signature orchestration. It may not be anything exceptional in Goldsmith's oeuvre, but that's only because his bar--which this score meets--is so high. I know you're fond of complaining that certain Goldsmith scores are only highly regarded because Jerry Goldsmith was the person who composed them; in contrast, I'd contend that Goldsmith scores like The River Wild aren't more highly regarded because Jerry Goldsmith was the person who composed them. We can get so accustomed to the brilliance of his artistry that we fail to appreciate it.

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2007 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Defend one, actually.

No, not in this thread. Ressurect a RIVER WILD thread and I might.

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2007 - 3:13 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Can somebody burn me a CDR or DVD of this for me -Please?

Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2007 - 10:07 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Wow, what a fantastic find. I really wish I had a nice clean copy of this on DVD or something, but I feel lucky to have any access to this at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2007 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Jeff Beal   (Member)

What a great resource on one of my heroes - thanks for the links-
Jeff

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2007 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   TownerFan   (Member)

This is probably the best documentary on John Williams ever produced so far. It should be issued legitimately on DVD.

Let's hope someone will venture in making another doc like this. A film music giant like Williams absolutely deserves it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2007 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

THE RIVER WILD is certainly a mediocre Goldsmith score by any standard.

Defend one, actually. But with respect to the fundamental standard in film music--complementariness--The River Wild excels. Jerry's score, in individual scenes and across them [pay attention Williams fans], is superb. Extremely well-thought out in concept and execution, with innovative, signature orchestration. It may not be anything exceptional in Goldsmith's oeuvre, but that's only because his bar--which this score meets--is so high. I know you're fond of complaining that certain Goldsmith scores are only highly regarded because Jerry Goldsmith was the person who composed them; in contrast, I'd contend that Goldsmith scores like The River Wild aren't more highly regarded because Jerry Goldsmith was the person who composed them. We can get so accustomed to the brilliance of his artistry that we fail to appreciate it.

Dan


Many scores are given undue attention and praise only because they're by a Goldsmith or a Williams. While I have no particular ill-will agains THE RIVER WILD, I know that it is one of my least listened to Goldsmith scores, and that it was totally effective, yet not particularly notable in the film. I'm sure that there are many scores that are composed just as well that you don't pay any heed because it's not by Goldsmith.

And, aside from that, let me unnecessarily note that your opinions on Williams vs. Goldsmith are always good for a laugh. It's good to know that there is still some insanity out there, people who still dare to be anally wrong-headed in this PC world.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2007 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

N/A

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2007 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

And, aside from that, let me unnecessarily note that your opinions on Williams vs. Goldsmith are always good for a laugh. It's good to know that there is still some insanity out there, people who still dare to be anally wrong-headed in this PC world.

Laughter followed by hollow claims of "insanity" or the like has historically been the way that the nefarious respond to reason. So, nice job I guess!

DH

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2007 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)


Laughter followed by hollow claims of "insanity" or the like has historically been the way that the nefarious respond to reason. So, nice job I guess!

DH


Than I thank god I'm a Philistene, and I'm able to enjoy the hours upon hours of laughter you've given me through your posts. I'll let the rest of the informed world, which you obviously faithfully represent get the precious insights and brilliance of the facts you provide. It's also so rare to get only facts from a human being, not opinions. Total, proven, scientific facts. If only I were smart enough to see things your way (i.e. truthfully).

 
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