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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2015 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Mahler is among my favorite composers. Currently, I do not listen to his music all that often often; it is intensely personal music, emotionally and spiritually provoking... you have to be willing (and have the time to spare) to attentively listen to a single piece of music for an hour or more; you can't really enjoy Mahler "on the side".
Yet it is a fascinating musical universe to explore. In fact, if you like any single Mahler symphony, chances are you will like the others as well. Conversely, if you do not like your first Mahler symphony, you're unlikely to enjoy anything else he composed. Basically, Mahler composed not so much different symphonies and song cycles, but one continuous work. It is highly interconnected.


I completely agree with this. Mahler is my absolute favorite classical composer. I did not discover him until shortly after I graduated university. I took a chance on a budget classical LP of the First Symphony without knowing his work...simply having heard the name. It took a couple of listens but I was hooked and it immediately became one of my favorite symphonies. I sought every other Mahler symphony, song cycle,etc. and they are all great.
Perhaps it's just from personal experience, but I think the First Symphony may be the easiest way to begin an exploration of Mahler. It's accessible while still being complex and grand.
And Nicolai is so on the mark about Mahler's work being almost one long continuous piece...but certainly not in any repetitious way. Also correct, you cannot listen to Mahler while surfing the internet, reading, or doing anything else. It requires full attention.
My personal faves (besides #1) are the Third, Fifth and Ninth, but all are good. "Revelge (Reveille)" from the song cycle "Das Knaben Wunderhorn" is a personal favorite lieder, especially when sung by Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

That Neil Guy:

In Richard Matheson's novel Bid Time Return, which was filmed as Somewhere in Time, it was Mahler's ninth that the Christopher Reeve character loved and listened to rather than the Rachmaninoff Rhapsody.

Just fyi.

Neil


As I understand it, it was John Barry who recommended the Rachmaninoff "Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini" instead of the Mahler for the film. Why? I suspect that he thought it would match the film, and his score, better.

I also understand that, never-the-less, Mahler was one of Barry's favourite composers.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Let me add a word for Mahler's final work, the Tenth Symphony.

Yes, agreed. Ironically, Mahler's 10th was more finished at the time of Mahler's death than was Mozart's Requiem at the time of Mozart's death.

The first movement was pretty much finished and that is the one section of the Mahler's 10th that most conductors including Bernstein would play.

I think the hesitance to perform Mahler's 10th stems from the fact that Mahler's music was so intensely personal, that some conductors reject the idea of performing a piece of Mahler where others have chimed in.

In any case, the 10th is certainly worth listening to.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2015 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)



As I understand it, it was John Barry who recommended the Rachmaninoff "Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini" instead of the Mahler for the film. Why? I suspect that he thought it would match the film, and his score, better.

I also understand that, never-the-less, Mahler was one of Barry's favourite composers.


Barry thought Mahler's melodic lines were too long for a practical use in the film, thus he suggested Rachmaninoff.

Mahler was indeed one of Barry's favorite composers. In fact, Barry's trademark open triad accompaniments were possibly taken directly from Mahler's Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2015 - 2:15 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


Perhaps it's just from personal experience, but I think the First Symphony may be the easiest way to begin an exploration of Mahler. It's accessible while still being complex and grand.


That would be my first choice as well. The first symphony was also my first real encounter with Mahler. The low murmering beginning of the first movement feels like the dawn to Mahler's entire musical world.

I started with the first, then came the fifth, then the ninth.

Often overlooked but quite worth listening to is also "Das klagende Lied", a cantata and among the earliest known works by Mahler.

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2015 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Okay, just as with all artists / genres / styles ... not everyone likes everything - I'm proof of that. But for the orchestral film soundtrack fan I can't recommend this symphony too highly. It is fabulous, with so much going on over its 80+ minutes running time ... it puts many film scores too shame.

It's not meant for the same purpose and I'm wrong to suggest any comparison ... and a few years ago I'd have been pushed to squeeze this work in between my collection of Barry, Goldsmith, Morricone, Horner, Delerue et al. ... and that's before I consider the song stylists I so dearly love ...

... but I am so very pleased that I have widened my listening tastes (and I specifically thank a fellow FSM'er for hinting at those opportunities*) as this symphony now joins the ranks of those I want to hear again and again.

* admittedly that was more for a 20th Century symphonist of Russian birth but one thing leads to another ... smile

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2015 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

... and I get the chance to hear the same (well: similar) performance: this Mahler symphony No. 9 performed by the National Youth Orchestra, conducted by Sir Mark Elder, is part of the 2015 BBC Proms and will be broadcast on BBC4 tomorrow (Sun 16 Aug) evening.

Get that recorder set ... ! smile

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2015 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Often overlooked but quite worth listening to is also "Das klagende Lied", a cantata and among the earliest known works by Mahler.

It is wonderful, but if you decide to get it, go for the complete version, not the shortened one. I believe Simon Rattle's is still available.

 
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