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 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

what a great piece of music. I heard it today, and I am astonished. Such a brilliant and scary score. I must be honest, I wouldn´t have imagined such a thrilling score by Delerue. All I knew of his music was this beautiful, emotional music. I have never heard him this way before.

Brilliant. Why was this score tossed?

Philipp

np: toy soldiers (robert folk)

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

A bad early preview screening. Disney hoped Horner's replacement score would be lighter and more family-oriented. Odd that a Delerue score would ever be too dark.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

Careful boys; this might be interpreted as a discussion about a bootleg!!

(Delerue's score is great stuff!)

wink
Dan

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Now, now, Dan... Varese did a beautiful rerecord of highlights from the score. That's all we're discussing, RIGHT?

While we're talking re-recordings, why doesn't Varese do a complete SWTWC? Maybe even re-do both scores side by side? The Delerue, at least, is well worth it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

To give everyone a break, I of course heard it on the great Varese CD.

Philipp

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   SheriffJoe   (Member)

Yeah Dan...considering all the crap I've been dealing with here...that wasn't funny in the least bit. A suite was legitimately released by Varese, which I'm sure you remember clearly.

SheriffJoe

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Yes, there was a bad preview, but the rescoring was just as much shaped by the extensive re-editing and revising of special effects sequences as any antipathy the studio had towards Delerue's score.

There's an extensive article on the whole post-preview-reedit saga in an early 80's issue of CINEFANTASTIQUE, which also lets drop that Goldsmith was the first choice to rescore WICKED but was unavailable due to scheduling conflicts. There's also mention of director Clayton chasing Horner around to play him a cassette of Delerue's score.

This was a very messed up production that came out surprisingly well, all things considered.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

Yeah Dan...considering all the crap I've been dealing with here...that wasn't funny in the least bit. A suite was legitimately released by Varese, which I'm sure you remember clearly.

Yes, I do remember the suite QUITE clearly.

Sorry if my humor wasn't clear from the smiley faces and stuff....

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 10:38 PM   
 By:   johndupree52   (Member)

The re-recording suite had speedup/ slowed down tempo in places; new parts and deleted parts; changed parts and finally, was a combination of a hand full of various cues.

I though it was funny Dan. Like my mother used to tell me, "Geez! Have a scense of humor!"

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2004 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)



Yes, I do remember the suite QUITE clearly.

Sorry if my humor wasn't clear from the smiley faces and stuff....

Dan


He's been a little test lately...

smilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2004 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   spooko   (Member)

Although the Delerue is really good and it would be great to hear it one day done properly in its entirety, i would like to also say how great i though James Horner's score is. Its a crying shame that no one has produced a legit version of this yet. From his driving main title to the atmospheric cues throughout the film, this is a terrific score that i think captured perfectly the film's mood. Love the libraray sequence!

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2004 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

It's been ages since I've seen the film, but what I remember of Horner's score was pretty damn impressive... would love to see a legit release!

Dan

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2004 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   SheriffJoe   (Member)

Dan, it wasn't that your "humorous" smiley faces weren't noticed...it was that your "humor" was not funny...considering the recent spate of bootleg threads.

SheriffJoe

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I was doing some reading on the Georges Delerue and I came across these quotes from interviews:

Something Wicked This Way Comes (1983)

« The director got the time codes to me on a Friday at 4 PM. I composed through until Saturday at 3 in the morning, started again at 7 and went on to 4 that day… What is funny is that the score of that film is one of the best I've ever done. »

(Télérama, number 1834, 6 mars 1985)

« Jack Clayton was very happy with it. Everyone was happy with it. I got letters from Disney telling me that it was unforgettable music. Then one day I got back to Los Angeles, where I did not yet live permanently, and my music editor told me, "I need to tell you something important. They dropped your music." That was a grand disillusionment for me, and for Jack Clayton as well, a good friend who wanted to keep the music. I didn't understand what had happened. I still don't. »

(Interview with Yann Merluzeau, Soundtrack, Number 42, June, 1992)


So apparently Delerue composed all of the music over a weekend?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

Delerue's rejected music is very impressive, but to me, James Horner's score is "like a guy in a sandy suit walking through the desert" wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Maestro   (Member)

I still haven't decided which score I like better, also going by the fact all I've heard of Delerue's material is the Suite featured on the Great Composers album. I would definitely be interested in a full release of his score.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

The film was heavily reshot & edited, adding a lot of action and effects at the end and thus making the Delerue score, as written, unfit for the film. Too bad Delerue wasn't asked back to work his magic on the final cut but my guess is his score went out when the tests on the first cut were negative.

James

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

It would be a real coup if Intrada could see if it's still in the vault and release it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

It would be a real coup if Intrada could see if it's still in the vault and release it.

I think remember reading on the Intrada boards that they didn't pair it with the replaced score at the request of Horner and Disney, so it's safe to assume that the master tapes exist.

For those who are not acquainted with Delerue's score:

The score consists of 45 minutes of pure orchestral score, 10-13 minutes of different calliope pieces and variations, two marching band arrangements of two of the calliope pieces, and one 1930s/40s style jazz source cue. But this information is all based on the unmentionable so there could be more material on the actual master tapes.

If Delerue himself considered it one of his best scores, it certainly deserves a release.

And here are two Douglass Fake quotes regarding Delerue and SWTWC:

http://intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=29476&highlight=#29476

http://intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=29529&highlight=#29529

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   The Cat   (Member)

But this information is all based on the unmentionable so there could be more material on the actual master tapes.

And there is. The complete score runs for about 62 and half minutes, including all recordings of the source music.

 
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