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Aug 28, 2003 - 9:35 PM
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manderley
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.....I confess that I'm still confused by the term "mag wow." Wow is, I believe, a variation in pitch caused by physical deterioration (such as stretching) of the tape. It is therefore a mechanical rather than a magnetic problem, is it not?.....
Rozsaphile.....It is.
However, this slang term "mag wow" has come to be used for this effect within the industry because the bulk of the master tracks for films, original music sessions and final mixes, at least from the 50s-70s were recorded on 35mm magnetic fullcoat film stock. Since that time they have started to deteriorate, stretch, and shrink unevenly, thus causing the "wow" effect, and the "mag" term simply refers to that fullcoat, or occasionally, quarter/half-inch medium on which the sound is stored. I suppose it is possible to have "optical wow" although I've never heard that term used.
In any case, "mag wow" possibly could be corrected with today's electronic technology but would probably require an unnecessarily large amount of money and hands-on time to do the job correctly, and, sadly, the final use for these elements doesn't justify that expediture economically.
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I can't believe a few collectors complain of "mag wow" etc. that one can barely hear or notice.
I find that the problem is so bad on some releases (e.g. Beloved Infidel) that it distracts me from the music.
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Aug 29, 2003 - 4:15 PM
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Joe Caps
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In the early 90s, Warners started a program to preserve their remaining music tracks. Most of these were from 1954 on. These were all on full coat mag with four or more tracks on them. Each track carried a different mono music track. Sadly, the stereo mags had been dubbed to mono once the film had completed final dubbing.
Warners had a lot of music tracks that were dubbed to new ful coat mags and back up copies were made on DAT and audio cassette. I've been told that some of these have since been lost and that is very sad.
At the time, they DID have King Richard and the Crusaders and Helen of Troy, which I am told they can no find now. Also sadly missing are several Max Steiner scores that the studio did keep in three track stereo, including Rome Adventure, Youngblood Hawke, and Spencers Mountain. ONe company had asked to put them out, but Warners can not find them.
At the time these scores were peing "prserved" there were already several scores that were not in the vault including Unchained(North), The Bad Seed (North), Rebel without a cause(Rosenman) and Rio Bravo(Tiomkin). Perhaps these have since been found. At that time they had most of East of eden with a few cues missing. Thee cues were found in the middle of the Silver Chalice recording sessions.
Sadly, almost all of the scores from the end of 1953 back had already been junked, including most of the optical tracks and all of the acetates.
Anyway, at that time, Silver Chalice was still there.
Another favorite of mine, never released, The Miracle, by Elmer Bernstein was also there.
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Pardon me for keeping this post alive - but
I'd really just like a straight answer to
my question without the cryptic poetry.
Here? What are you, high or something?
This is the site that turned Attention Deficit Disorder into an art form.
One gigantic coitus interruptus.
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Yes. Some cues in stereo & some in mono. The music in all of the cues is superb, but there's much more music in the movie that is not in this disc.
I, for one, would welcome an expanded reissue.
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