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 Posted:   May 22, 2018 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

Just a random thought... I think the majority consensus - myself included - is that these new releases are wrought with multiple problems. But I wonder if the root issue is with the original recordings themselves, and if we could ultimately be satisfied with the best that MM or one of our labels could do? Perhaps there are inherent flaws that can never be completely overcome.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2018 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   SpaceMind   (Member)

I bought A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and I am really enjoying them. They sound great to me. It's been so long since I have listened to the original LP versions, as I am always listening to the SE Editions or the 1993 Boxed set, so it's refreshing. I will be purchasing The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith soon.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2018 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

I picked up A New Hope last week, I've been enjoying it, I like how it sounds, so I grabbed Phantom Menace today - I've never owned the prequel scores before - and to me the high-end horns on it sound very thin and harsh. Does the original album sound similar? I'm happy with what I've got for Empire and Jedi, but I was going to grab the new Clones and Sith, and now I'm not so sure.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2018 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I picked up A New Hope last week, I've been enjoying it, I like how it sounds, so I grabbed Phantom Menace today - I've never owned the prequel scores before - and to me the high-end horns on it sound very thin and harsh. Does the original album sound similar? I'm happy with what I've got for Empire and Jedi, but I was going to grab the new Clones and Sith, and now I'm not so sure.

Read the rest of the thread, friend!

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2018 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

oh i've read it. yeah.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2018 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Having just sat through a massive session of Star Wars I cannot understand what all the complaints are about.

The Empire Strikes Back has never sounded this good, the mastering is first class.

The quiet bits are quiet the full orchestral passages are loud, which is what they should be (no brickwalling here) the whole series of albums sound magnificent, the best that Star Wars has ever sounded.

It must be me (probably due to advancing age) but I can't understand all the moans about editing, about it being too left sided or too right sided, well mine aren't. When the strings and horns play (Asteroid Field) it mostly comes out of the left speaker which is what it should do, when the brasses play (Imperial March) it mostly comes out of the right speaker, but isn't that what it's supposed to do?

It seems that these releases are getting a lot of negative comments, which aren't deserved.

The people who mastered these have done an excellent job of breathing new life into these classic scores.

If anyone is thinking of not buying these think again, at £5 apiece they are cheap and you won't be disappointed, well not if they sound like the ones I bought. big grin


Most rational post in the thread.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2018 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

I picked up A New Hope last week, I've been enjoying it, I like how it sounds, so I grabbed Phantom Menace today - I've never owned the prequel scores before - and to me the high-end horns on it sound very thin and harsh. Does the original album sound similar? I'm happy with what I've got for Empire and Jedi, but I was going to grab the new Clones and Sith, and now I'm not so sure.

I find the new versions of the prequels unlistenable cimpared to the originals.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2018 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Having just sat through a massive session of Star Wars I cannot understand what all the complaints are about.

The Empire Strikes Back has never sounded this good, the mastering is first class.

The quiet bits are quiet the full orchestral passages are loud, which is what they should be (no brickwalling here) the whole series of albums sound magnificent, the best that Star Wars has ever sounded.

It must be me (probably due to advancing age) but I can't understand all the moans about editing, about it being too left sided or too right sided, well mine aren't. When the strings and horns play (Asteroid Field) it mostly comes out of the left speaker which is what it should do, when the brasses play (Imperial March) it mostly comes out of the right speaker, but isn't that what it's supposed to do?

It seems that these releases are getting a lot of negative comments, which aren't deserved.

The people who mastered these have done an excellent job of breathing new life into these classic scores.

If anyone is thinking of not buying these think again, at £5 apiece they are cheap and you won't be disappointed, well not if they sound like the ones I bought. big grin


Most rational post in the thread.


Not to rehash things but Star Wars and Empire I full of audio problems. I'll never listen to them again and won't buy the rest. Maybe someday, someone will do these iconic scores justice.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2018 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Having just sat through a massive session of Star Wars I cannot understand what all the complaints are about.

The Empire Strikes Back has never sounded this good, the mastering is first class.

The quiet bits are quiet the full orchestral passages are loud, which is what they should be (no brickwalling here) the whole series of albums sound magnificent, the best that Star Wars has ever sounded.

It must be me (probably due to advancing age) but I can't understand all the moans about editing, about it being too left sided or too right sided, well mine aren't. When the strings and horns play (Asteroid Field) it mostly comes out of the left speaker which is what it should do, when the brasses play (Imperial March) it mostly comes out of the right speaker, but isn't that what it's supposed to do?

It seems that these releases are getting a lot of negative comments, which aren't deserved.

The people who mastered these have done an excellent job of breathing new life into these classic scores.

If anyone is thinking of not buying these think again, at £5 apiece they are cheap and you won't be disappointed, well not if they sound like the ones I bought. big grin


Most rational post in the thread.


Not to rehash things but Star Wars and Empire I full of audio problems. I'll never listen to them again and won't buy the rest. Maybe someday, someone will do these iconic scores justice.


The only thing that really jumped out at me on Star Wars was the missing tapping high piano note on the Ben-sneaking-around part of "The Last Battle". True, that should not be omitted (I have no explanation or excuse for why it was). But other than that, Star Wars and Empire (the ones I"m listening to quite frequently) sound fantastic to me.

I admit I haven't listened to the Prequel and Jed discs more than a few times, so I wouldn't be as familiar with any sonic problems those are alleged to have...

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2018 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Having just sat through a massive session of Star Wars I cannot understand what all the complaints are about.

The Empire Strikes Back has never sounded this good, the mastering is first class.

The quiet bits are quiet the full orchestral passages are loud, which is what they should be (no brickwalling here) the whole series of albums sound magnificent, the best that Star Wars has ever sounded.

It must be me (probably due to advancing age) but I can't understand all the moans about editing, about it being too left sided or too right sided, well mine aren't. When the strings and horns play (Asteroid Field) it mostly comes out of the left speaker which is what it should do, when the brasses play (Imperial March) it mostly comes out of the right speaker, but isn't that what it's supposed to do?

It seems that these releases are getting a lot of negative comments, which aren't deserved.

The people who mastered these have done an excellent job of breathing new life into these classic scores.

If anyone is thinking of not buying these think again, at £5 apiece they are cheap and you won't be disappointed, well not if they sound like the ones I bought. big grin


Most rational post in the thread.


Not to rehash things but Star Wars and Empire I full of audio problems. I'll never listen to them again and won't buy the rest. Maybe someday, someone will do these iconic scores justice.


The only thing that really jumped out at me on Star Wars was the missing tapping high piano note on the Ben-sneaking-around part of "The Last Battle". True, that should not be omitted (I have no explanation or excuse for why it was). But other than that, Star Wars and Empire (the ones I"m listening to quite frequently) sound fantastic to me.

I admit I haven't listened to the Prequel and Jed discs more than a few times, so I wouldn't be as familiar with any sonic problems those are alleged to have...


As was mentioned there are huge drops in volume on some tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2018 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

As was mentioned there are huge drops in volume on some tracks.

On all six discs, or are you referring to specific ones? (I've read the entire thread once, but don't recall which complaints were about which titles.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2018 - 4:33 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

Regardless of the debate around quality of these re-issues, I was going to pick up the original trilogy at $10 each. To me this was a reasonably cheap price to have newly mastered versions (however problematic) of the original albums.

But when I finally got around to going to JB Hi-Fi to pick them up, they had been put up to $20 each.
So, I guess that's problem solved for me. I ain't picking them up at that price.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2018 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

As was mentioned there are huge drops in volume on some tracks.

On all six discs, or are you referring to specific ones? (I've read the entire thread once, but don't recall which complaints were about which titles.)


Below are my previous notes on Star Wars and Empire. Other members may had other issues with these releases. (I've only heard the two.)

Empire Strikes Back Remaster- The Heroics of Luke and Han:

3:33- What should be the prominent instruments (Strings?) for that section of the cue are dialed way out.
4:40 to 4:52- Drastic drop in volume.

A New Hope Remaster-

The Main Titles sound wonky after the transition into the "End Credits". Not sure if it's a volume problem again, or something to do with the mixing. The cross-fading in areas seems off, though I guess if they had to completely recreate the cross-fades it would be impossible to duplicate them exactly as heard on the OST. The "louder" parts of the score sound distorted and I had to lower the volume. I don't know if this is what you all call clipping, but it's noticeable.

Overall the sound is crisper and cleaner than ever. Which I got a real kick out of. These releases are a mixed bag. BTW, I don't have a high end sound system just hundred dollar speakers hooked up to my computer. I don't use earphones.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2018 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Thanks, Solium. I'll check out those examples.

Although not a problem with mixing (I don't think), there's something else I noticed --- on my Return of the Jedi disc: the track "Parade of the Ewoks" has some strange fluttering sound during the first few seconds. Could be just a problem with a pressing, I guess, but I don't really care that much about Jedi or "Parade of the Ewoks" to go to the trouble of exchanging it.

Anyway, does anyone else's copy have this?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

How's the mix on A New Hope? I read somewhere that the high piano when Ben deactivates the tractor beam is missing in this mix. If that's true, I won't be grabbing this release.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

How's the mix on A New Hope? I read somewhere that the high piano when Ben deactivates the tractor beam is missing in this mix. If that's true, I won't be grabbing this release.

It's true. It's about the only thing I found wrong with the "A New Hope" mix. (As a Star Wars completist, it's no biggie for me to have an alternate mix of one track.) The rest of the disc sounds fresh and clean to my ears, and I enjoy it....

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Hmm... I think that would be too much of a distraction for my anal retentive personality.

Thanks for the quick reply.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2024 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

BBTS has A New Hope for $13 dollars plus shipping. I think someone was looking for this.

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/163364?o=4

 
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