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 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Washu   (Member)

Is The Night of the Mayas by Silvestre Revueltas is the best South/Latin American film score of all time?

That would have been my pick, but I am not familiar with many South American or Latin American film scores.

Can you name other top film scores from that region - note, they must be composed by South or Latin American composers, that is the qualification here, not necessarily produced in any of the countries.

I am also wondering what the best film score by Astor Piazzolla or/and Antônio Carlos Jobim really is, that could perhaps be among the best as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Are we including Lalo Schifrin in this Category?

I love Jobim's score for "The Adventurers."

Have you checked out Waldo De los Rios?

Did Ginastera do any film scores?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Washu   (Member)

Are we including Lalo Schifrin in this Category?

I love Jobim's score for "The Adventurers."

Have you checked out Waldo De los Rios?

Did Ginastera do any film scores?


I totally forgot about Schifrin, he is probably the most known film composer from the region then, unless I am forgetting someone else... I am not as interested in Schifrin since he is a pretty big name, I would have listed him as an exception probably had I not forgotten about him, I was thinking more about more obscure names or composers most known for their concert music doing some film scores that aren't that well known.

Thanks for the Jobim recommendation, I haven't heard that one.

I have never heard of Waldo De los Rios.

Not sure about Ginastera, but after a quick Google it seems like it, no clue if there is a recording or what his best score is.

The suite from The Night of the Mayas is considered a masterpiece of concert music, I find it difficult to imagine that something else from the film score world from the region would live up to that. It is maybe not fair to count it, but I am counting it nontheless since it is from a film score, just like I am counting the Prokofiev suite from Kije as one of the best ever film scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Revueltas's score for Redes is wonderful, recorded many times in suite form. Redes was perhaps the only memorable film he scored. It has survived and has been recently released on DVD by Naxos with both the original score and a recorded score.

On Jobim's album called Jobim there is a 10-minute suite of themes from a couple of films I'm not familiar with.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Also: I agree about The Night of the Mayas. I have every recording of Revueltas's recordings I can get my hands on, and have heard many performances of it. I would love to hear it live someday. I did get to hear the St. Louis Symphony perform Sensemaya live, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I totally forgot about Schifrin, he is probably the most known film composer from the region then, unless I am forgetting someone else... I am not as interested in Schifrin since he is a pretty big name, I was thinking more about more obscure names or composers most known for their concert music doing some film scores that aren't that well known.

Thanks for the Jobim recommendation, I haven't heard that one.

I have never heard of Waldo De los Rios.

Not sure about Ginastera, but after a quick Google it seems like it, no clue if there is a recording or what his best score is.

The suite from The Night of the Mayas is considered a masterpiece of concert music, I find it difficult to imagine that something else from the film score world from the region would live up to that. It is maybe not fair to count it, but I am counting it nontheless since it is from a film score, just like I am counting the Prokofiev suite from Kije as one of the best ever film scores.


You could argue that Schifrin does not truly meet your criteria, because he left Argentina to study in Paris, and then made his musical splash in the U.S.

Jobim did an an album circa 1972, the one with "Waters of March," that has an instrumental suite on side 2. I believe this was composed for a film, but I will have to check.

I have I believe four scores by Waldo De los Rios, including "Who Can Kill a Child" and "Savage Pampas," and they are absolutely top-notch. I have not spent enough time listening to this composer, but I need to.

And then there is Villa-Lobos, who scored "Green Mansions," but Bronislau Kaper rescued this score with his own contributions.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

I've been hoping for a long time that someone would release a remastered version of Jobim's Adventurers. Hopefully the source material is in decent shape. Anyone? Bruce?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Does anything by Luis Bacalov count??!

 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Forest of the Amazon, sort of.

Or Goldsmith's Under Fire.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

And then there is Villa-Lobos, who scored "Green Mansions," but Bronislau Kaper rescued this score with his own contributions.

GREEN MANSIONS is an interesting story. MGM wanted a score with an authentic South American flavor, so they hired the eminent Villa-Lobos. Apparently Villa-Lobos arrived at the studio with his completed "film score" in hand, not realizing that film scores are largely written to the finished film. Miklos Rozsa had to explain to him that films are not shot to fit a finished piece of music. In the end, MGM paid off Villa-Lobos and Bronislau Kaper was given the assignment to interpolate Villa-Lobos' music into the score as much as possible. Villa-Lobos then went on to transform his film score into the concert piece "Forest of the Amazon."

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

I love THE NAKED JUNGLE

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Villa-Lobos then went on to transform his film score into the concert piece "Forest of the Amazon."

I think the 45-minute version of that, which came out on a UA LP, is good, but not as good as the film adaptation.

I think the 75-minute "Forest of the Amazon" which came out in the CD era is a very tough slog. Unfocused, meandering. Villa-Lobos has nice themes but he does not exploit them like I wish he would. In order of preference, I like the Villa-Lobos/Kaper collaboration best, and the 75-minute concert piece is the "least best." (I won't say "worst.")

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Is The Night of the Mayas by Silvestre Revueltas is the best South/Latin American film score of all time?

That would have been my pick, but I am not familiar with many South American or Latin American film scores.

Can you name other top film scores from that region - note, they must be composed by South or Latin American composers, that is the qualification here, not necessarily produced in any of the countries.


I haven't seen many films from Latin America, but here are some of the ones whose music scores I liked:

Mexico

El esqueleto de la señora Morales (1960), music by Raúl Lavista (aka Skeleton of Mrs. Morales)
Macario (1960), music by Raúl Lavista
Yanco (1961), music by Gustavo César Carrión

Argentina

Los siete locos (1973), music by Mariano Etkin (Seven Madmen, directed by Leopoldo Torre Nilsson)

Cuba

La última cena (1976), music by Leo Brouwer (aka The Last Supper, directed by Tomás Gutiérrez Alea)

Peru

La muralla verde (1969), music by Enrique Pinilla

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I was thinking more about more obscure names or composers most known for their concert music doing some film scores that aren't that well known.


In classical music circles, music from Latin America is typically not on their radars.
During the mid-1990s, labels like ASV and Dorian Discoveries produced volumes of albums under banners as "Musica Mexicana" or "Music from Latin American masters".
I don't think such CD series were deemed as successful and, I dare think, much of the compositions by Latin American composers remain unrecorded and/or unperformed.

Colorful-sounding & programmic music is considered as '3rd tier' music by lots of classical music people.

 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

THE LIBERATOR (Libertador) , a 2013 Venezuelan film about Simón Bolívar has an excellent score by Venezuelan composer Gustavo Dudamel. A CD is available from Deutsche Grammaphon. It's also a good movie about a subject most North Americans are pretty vague about if not completely ignorant.

I must also second the mention of Antonio Carlos Jobim's THE ADVENTURERS, a beautiful score that gets short shrift on a long out of print 30 minute LP. It deserves an expanded CD release.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2018 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

THE LIBERATOR (Libertador) , A 2013 Venezuelan film about Simón Bolívar has an excellent score by Venezuelan composer Gustavo Dudamel. A CD is available from Deutsche Grammaphon. It's also a good movie about a subject most North Americans are pretty vague about if not completely ignorant.

Yeah, that's a good one.

What about Jorge Drexler or Gustavo Santaolalla? Both good ones.

I really like Carlos José Alvarez' CUBAMERICAN.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 5, 2018 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)

THE LIBERATOR (Libertador) , A 2013 Venezuelan film about Simón Bolívar has an excellent score by Venezuelan composer Gustavo Dudamel. A CD is available from Deutsche Grammaphon. It's also a good movie about a subject most North Americans are pretty vague about if not completely ignorant.

Yeah, that's a good one.

What about Silvestre Revueltas, Jorge Drexler, Gustavo Santaolalla? All good ones.

I really like Carlos José Alvarez' CUBAMERICAN.


Best Latin American score by a Frenchman: Moon Over Parador....Maurice Jarre smile smile smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 5, 2018 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

n/a

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 5, 2018 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Well, if we're moving into the realm of south-american flavored scores by composers from other countries, then note that one of Revueltas's students, somebody named Alex North, wrote some amazing Mexican-flavored scores like Viva Zapata, Wonderful Country, Under the Volcano, and even Carny shows Revuestas's influence.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 5, 2018 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   MCurry29   (Member)

SAVAGE PAMPAS- Waldo De Los Rios- is a gottdamn Masterpiece!

Anxiously awaiting De Los Rios score for Boquitas Pintadas (Painted Lips) on ROSETTA RECORDS.

Freaking Black Orpheus!

 
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