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 Posted:   Mar 13, 2003 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)

I was about 13 when I saw this film. The film and it's music had a huge emotional impact on me that's lasted my whole life. I remember buying the soundtrack on L.P. and crying when listening to the music Marvin Hamlisch composed for the scene at the end when the story's hero Ned Merril (Burt Lancaster) finally arrives home. I finally got the nerve up to tell Mr. Lancaster how much I enjoyed this film during a L.A. Philharmonic Mahler concert we were at...(he used to attend these quite regularly). Anyway, anyone else out there a fan of film, music or both?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2003 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   Skyros   (Member)

Yes, I like the film very much and I think Burt Lancaster gave a superb performance.

The score by Marvin Hamlisch is excellent and
I still play my LP although it is rather short. I don't think it has ever been issued on CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2003 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Ditto! Who owns the rights to these Columbia releases anyway? Hamlisch's APRIL FOOLS came out on that label the following year.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2003 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

Both are very nice scores - wouldn't they make a great double bill!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2003 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Every day, I had to order that guy outta my pool.

Every day, he walk through my backyard without an invitation and swim laps.

I hadda call the cops.

What good is living in suburbia, outta the noise and headache of the city, if this is gonna happen?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2003 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

couldn't agree with you more , i think THE SWIMMER , the film, is vastly overlooked , i saw it at revival house in NYC. it really is a stunning piece of film work, and BURT LANCASTER has never been better, and i cannot praise the score enough. I got this at FOOTLIGHT RECORDS and it is worth every penny i spent on it! hope it finds its way to cd soon.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2003 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

THE SWIMMER still stands as my favorite Hamlisch score. I'm sure my love of it stems from it's "Bersteinish" sound , no doubt thanks to the orchestrations by Leo Shuken and Jack Hayes who did most of Bernstein's scores in those days.

It's a haunting first effort that really deserves a formal CD release. I'm working on a conversion of the LP but both my copies seem to suffer from inner groove distortion on the final band on both sides--unfortunately involving the wonderful "Hurdles" track that finishes out side one.

The only score that Hamlisch did after this one that had that great Americana flavor was his pilot score for the short-lived1973 James Franciscus TV series, DOC ELLIOT. The theme was just terrific and also very much in the Elmer Bernstein open air vein.

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2003 - 2:11 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

I've been looking for a print of THE SWIMMER for years. It's an incredibly effective picture. And Hamlisch's score is really great. As to the question above, Sony owns the soundtrack rights.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2003 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

The Swimmer has been one of my favorite scores
since I purchased the Lp back in 1968. I was
very pleased to read in this thread how others
have appreciated it - and I echo the sentiment
that the score is particularly Bernstein-like
but stands on it's own merits. (Orchestrations
by Shuken/Hayes are a big reasson for the similarity no doubt.) The film itself astonished me when I
saw it back when. In it's own way - the ending
was right up there with 2001 (the same year)
for devastating impact. Everybody might be pleased to know that DVD planet lists The Swimmer as set for widescreen DVD release on
April 29th. Too bad the whole thing's only
in mono, though. Let's get that CD out!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2003 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   MATT PERKINS   (Member)

I love this score, Arthur - the film is incredibly weird but very haunting, with music to match. It's by far the most inspired score I've heard from Hamlisch - I played my LP to death years ago, wallowing in those gorgeously lush, heartbreaking melodies and sixties grooves! Sadly I lent it to a friend whom I subsequently lost touch with and never saw my beloved LP again! So like others, I would love a CD release (as someone else suggested, a pairing with THE APRIL FOOLS would be an inspired release)

Thanks for reminding us all of this great score.
best
Matt

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2003 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Arthur -- how nice to hear from you! Actually, I noticed your name on another posting in somebody else's thread a while back, and wondered how you were doing. And, if you were still marketing used cd's? Anyhow, it's particularly gratifying to see you posting about THE SWIMMER. I won't repeat what I've contributed to this Message Board in the past on this topic, for fear of boring the membership, but I was a go-fer on THE SWIMMER in my suburban Connecticut county the summer of 1966, and have many memories of the production.

I'm on record as agreeing with the folks who assert the importance of Shuken and Hayes to this fine score. For what it's worth, there was an "unofficial" release on cd a few years ago, but let's indeed hope for a legitimate edition some day.

I'll just add that in recent years the film finally seems to be coming into its own, after struggling to be appreciated in the late 60's when it was first released. One sign: the special feature on THE SWIMMER in the Sunday New York Times magazine a year or so ago, featuring both an essay and a fashion-spread recreating scenes from the film (with David Hasselhoff filling in for "Splash" Lancaster).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)

Hello Preston,
Your post almost slipped by me. You were one of my favorite customers. Thanks to you and all of those who responded to this post... it's quite overwhelming to read these responses to a film I watched with 2 other people total at an exclusive run at the Beverly theatre in Beverly Hills (just after they premiered the wildly succesful PLANET OF THE APES). Yes I do have many secondary market soundtracks for sale but I moved from L.A. to Australia about 4 years ago and continue to sell most of them on e bay.
Please e-mail me with your e-mail address at: arthursoundtracksunlimited@yahoo.com I have some questions regarding the filming of THE SWIMMER I'd love to ask you. In addition if you (or anyone for that matter) have any questions regarding collectable soundtrack c.d.s I still stay well informed on this topic...(remember the ABC lists?)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

No, I was NEVER fond of Ted Kennedy.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   JeffBond   (Member)

I want to hear Preston Jones' memories of The Swimmer!

This is one of my favorite movies, too. It has a lot of purely soapy scenes--the schism between these and the more naturalistic ones like Lancaster at the public pool can be explained by the fact that Lancaster had Sidney Lumet come in after he had a falling out with original director Frank "Mommie Dearest" Perry. Another lost Perry gem is Diary of a Mad Housewife.

I recently got a fairly decent copy of the score and I had the exact same reaction of getting all misty-eyed at that great, final cue. I can't wait for the DVD...go, Burt!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 10:21 PM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)

I want to hear Preston Jones' memories of The Swimmer!

This is one of my favorite movies, too. It has a lot of purely soapy scenes--the schism between these and the more naturalistic ones like Lancaster at the public pool can be explained by the fact that Lancaster had Sidney Lumet come in after he had a falling out with original director Frank "Mommie Dearest" Perry. Another lost Perry gem is Diary of a Mad Housewife.

I recently got a fairly decent copy of the score and I had the exact same reaction of getting all misty-eyed at that great, final cue. I can't wait for the DVD...go, Burt!

I'll definitely get Preston to respond here as well then, thanks Jeff. One small correction: it was Burt's friend Sidney Pollack..(not Lumet) who came in later to re-direct some scenes most importantly the one with Janice Rule (to replace Barbara Loden) which made Perry very unhappy.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Because of this thread, I rented The Swimmer last week. Loved the music and the movie.
I want to track down Cheever’s short story upon which this movie was based. What a
scathing, satirical indictment of suburbia.

I too would like to know more about the dual directors. Was the film finished by one
director and then had certain scenes reshot by Pollock? Or did the first one leave part way
through?

I kept thinking, “Wow, Burt baby still looks good in a bathing suit. Not much money
spent on his wardrobe.” I also wondered where this was filmed. I can’t imagine a REAL
suburb where there are such HUGE houses divided by several miles of bucolic pastures
and trees. Oh, well, had to provide a few miles between each house to enhance the
journey. (Those forested areas are probably malls by now.)

While the movie may be a bit dated in style and look, it still packs a punch at the suburbs,
Yuppydom, and the whole notion that materialism equals bliss. The last scene was just
heartbreaking, and Burt’s performance was great.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   JeffBond   (Member)

Right, Sidney Pollack, not Sidney Lumet...

I'm very sure Shucken and Hayes must have had a huge hand in the score--they're actually credited in the opening titles and I think even on the front of the LP. I love Hamlisch's swelling theme when Lancaster takes his first dive into one of the pools ("Easy Five" on the LP I think)--the perfect theme for Sixties excess. The staccato music for Lancaster's confused dash across the freeway, and the fantastic "Six Million Dollar Burt" music for all the slo-mo hurdle jumping.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 11:15 PM   
 By:   JeffBond   (Member)

Didn't Pollack do Lancaster's Castle Keep? That's another wonderfully pretentious Sixties acid trip...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2003 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   Logied   (Member)

You mean after all the pluses said about this movie, no one has mentioned the important part
Joan Rivers played in this movie. Just a regular gal playing an everyday mother. Type casting of the obvious kind. This theme is on my top ten list.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2003 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)

Didn't Pollack do Lancaster's Castle Keep? That's another wonderfully pretentious Sixties acid trip...

We have similar tastes Jeff...I love that one too flaws and all...and there's one-eyed Burt all alone again defending the castle and staring down the Nazis...what a finish!....Lucky again I saw this one on the big screen. A favorite of Joe Dante's. The reports were that the castle they used in the film accidently caught fire and burned down. Although some of Michel Legrand's score is terribly out of place, his main theme is deliciously haunting.

 
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