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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

....WHY ALL THE HATE?!?!?!?!?!?!
I don't see why most of you bash him, and for that matter, his "composer of choice" Giacchino as well.
Both are great at what they do, so please list your "grievances" here... I'd truly like to know the reasons for all the hate!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I enjoy all his films.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Abrams is not only a very poor writer/director top down - but he's also a real fucking jerk.

* His behind the scenes fights at Paramount over Trek and its licensing put a black mark on him. Admittedly, Paramount is in dire straits of late, so they might be grouchy but what he wanted was not only stupid but *very fucking stupid*.

* His screwing Drew Strewzan out of the Episode VII poster for the photoshopped one we got. (Disney or Lucasfilm hired Drew who came up with a pretty nice poster, but JJ hated it and so it was "demoted" to be a pre-release poster instead.)

* Mystery box bullshit.

* J. W. Rinzler, who wrote some super, super good behind the scenes / making of books about the original Star Wars trilogy, had one all but completed for Episode VII (around 80%, 85% done?) and Abrams put the kibosh on it because he didn't like how it illustrated how chaotic the production was at times (even if it wasn't always JJ's fault).

* I absolutely hate the schtick this guy writes in (its all caps) but he makes some terrific points about how Episode VII is the worst of the Star Wars films by several country miles - http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/28/star-wars-the-force-alluded-to

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Abrams is not only a very poor writer/director top down - but he's also a real fucking jerk.

* His behind the scenes fights at Paramount over Trek and its licensing put a black mark on him. Admittedly, Paramount is in dire straits of late, so they might be grouchy but what he wanted was not only stupid but *very fucking stupid*.

* His screwing Drew Strewzan out of the Episode VII poster for the photoshopped one we got. (Disney or Lucasfilm hired Drew who came up with a pretty nice poster, but JJ hated it and so it was "demoted" to be a pre-release poster instead.)

* Mystery box bullshit.

* J. W. Rinzler, who wrote some super, super good behind the scenes / making of books about the original Star Wars trilogy, had one all but completed for Episode VII (around 80%, 85% done?) and Abrams put the kibosh on it because he didn't like how it illustrated how chaotic the production was at times (even if it wasn't always JJ's fault).

* I absolutely hate the schtick this guy writes in (its all caps) but he makes some terrific points about how Episode VII is the worst of the Star Wars films by several country miles - http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/28/star-wars-the-force-alluded-to


What is "mystery box bullshit"? Sounds like a blind date with a hooker(HAH!)!big grinbig grinbig grin

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

....WHY ALL THE HATE?!?!?!?!?!?!
I don't see why most of you bash him, and for that matter, his "composer of choice" Giacchino as well.
Both are great at what they do, so please list your "grievances" here... I'd truly like to know the reasons for all the hate!


I dont hate JJ, but I certainly wouldnt idolize him for his work. The TREK movies were pretty damn stupid. Maybe they succeed on a surface level and he's "great" for that.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



* I absolutely hate the schtick this guy writes in (its all caps) but he makes some terrific points about how Episode VII is the worst of the Star Wars films by several country miles - http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/28/star-wars-the-force-alluded-to


Honestly, man, I couldn't get a full paragraph into that blog. The all caps, the first person references to himself as HULK and that he takes forever to get to the point had me checking out like Homer Simpson at a power plant staff meeting.

Can't say I disagree with your assessment overall, though. TFA was a wasted opportunity to bring the narrative forward.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I don't hate Abrams, but I do strongly feel like he is not well-suited to big screen stuff.
He comes across to me as being better suited to TV. As a storytelling medium, TV is a lot more forgiving when it comes to a lack of originality.

As far as his rep as a film maker goes, I feel like he has attained the stature that he has mainly by standing on the shoulders of giants--hitching his wagon to pre-existing works which were already so beloved that the fans of those works, starved for anything new, would turn out in droves to support them.
And even if some of those fans came away with a bad taste in their mouths after swallowing his permutations of those works, well, who cares? He's got the box office receipts--he's happy.

I have to qualify my remarks with the disclosures that I found some enjoyment in the NuTreks and the NuStarWars.
Not a lot, but some. And it's not due to anything Abrams did--it's more to do with my already-existing love for ST and SW.
"Cloverfield"... not horrible, but again, a story that was derivative of a half dozen others.
"Lost"... didn't watch it--didn't appeal to me.

So, yeah. He seems like a fan-fic writer that got very, very lucky.
But more power to him. He may very well blossom into a master movie maker in the future. Who knows?

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

I wouldn't say the Mission: Impossible film franchise was "well beloved" when he righted the train with III.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I wouldn't say the Mission: Impossible film franchise was "well beloved" when he righted the train with III.


Perhaps, but my comments were mainly in reference to SW and Trek.
I should have made that more clear in my previous post--my fault.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2017 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

He's a fanboy. He has no vision. Just a nerd living out his dream, making films of stuff he loved growing up.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

J.J. Abrams is good -- he even has visual trademarks, which can't be said of all mainstream blockbuster directors. And he's certainly a milion times better than Trevorrow.

Bring on STAR WARS IX!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

He's a fanboy. He has no vision. Just a nerd living out his dream, making films of stuff he loved growing up.

You can literally take this post verbatim and apply it to every filmmaker since 1970 currently working.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

He's a fanboy. He has no vision. Just a nerd living out his dream, making films of stuff he loved growing up.

You can literally take this post verbatim and apply it to every filmmaker since 1970 currently working.


It's why movies these days generally suck.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

And you're a damn fool!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

He's a fanboy. He has no vision. Just a nerd living out his dream, making films of stuff he loved growing up.

You can literally take this post verbatim and apply it to every filmmaker since 1970 currently working.


There's a huge distinction. The directors of the 70's took inspiration from their youth and did their own thing. Today's directors just do remakes, reboots and sequels of existing properties they grew up watching.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Today's directors just do remakes, reboots and sequels of existing properties they grew up watching.

Wrong. Today's directors are whores for their corporate audience pandering masters. It's going for the lowest brow that'll pay the buck that's the problem. That and cinephiles like Thor, who watch something plastic and declare it a masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Today's directors just do remakes, reboots and sequels of existing properties they grew up watching.

Wrong. Today's directors are whores for their corporate audience pandering masters.



I kinda said that in another thread last night. wink No personal touch or creativity aloud. If you're not a "yes" man, they fire you for being disobedient.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

The auteur director is extinct over most of the planet.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2017 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)



He has never made a really bad film, and not a terrible film.
Is a master film maker? No.

What he did with Trek was divisive, but at least Trek 2009 did break it free of some moorings. It did not do much afterwards, Into Darkness is a pretty good film- it was impressive in Imax- but only if you do not look at it as Trek. As for his Star Wars work, I though Force Awakens, within the very strict confines of what Disney gave him, worked pretty well, I think it is the best of the new Star Wars pictures so far. And he is a pretty good replacement for Trevorrow, and again, working within the
strict confines of Disney it will be a serviceable picture I am sure. What JJ brought to film was working for years within the business of television, which meant he knew efficiency of shooting and putting the dollars on the screen. As for his artistic choices - certainly up for debate, but the idea that he is a terrible director is silly.

 
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