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 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   KevinSmith   (Member)

Hey everybody,

My girlfriend and I are planning our first overseas trip and we've decided on England/Wales as a safe first choice.

Our interests are:
1) History (both of us)
2) Trains (me)
3) Exploring/Things off the beaten path/knick knack shopping (her)

Here is our itinerary so far:
Day 1-4: Overnight flight from Canada into London (Heathrow) and touring London - Airbnb
Day 5: Day trip to Oxford - back to London
Day 6: Harry Potter World/End in Portsmouth - stay with relatives
Day 7: Portsmouth - visit relatives
Day 8: Train from Portsmouth/Salisbury Cathedral/Stonehenge/End in Bath - Airbnb
Day 9: Tour Bath/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 10: Train to Didcot/Didcot (Great Western Railway Museum)/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 11: Bath/Rent car from Bath/Castle Combe/End at Thornbury Castle Hotel
Day 12: Drive to Tintern Abbey/Caerphilly Castle/End in Brecon area.
Day 13: Easy drive to Gladstone's Library via the A470/Stay at Gladstone's Library
Day 14: Ziplining at ZipWorld Bethesda/Caernarfon Castle/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 15: Day trip with friends to Snowdon Mountain Railway/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 16: Easy trip back to London from Crewe via train - Airbnb
Day 17: Milling around London before we fly out.

While on the surface, it may seem a little hectic but if you look closer, it's not that bad. For most of the trip, we would be sleeping in the same bed for more than one night (four nights in London, two nights in Portsmouth, three nights in Bath and two nights in Crewe). There are some long days for sure, but there are also quite a few relaxing days.

What do you guys think?

Edit: Unfortunately I could not find any film music concerts in the area that we are going to be in.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

I think it sounds exciting, invigorating, wonderful, and...exhausting!

HAVE A GREAT TIME!

You'll be needing to get a LOT of rest when you get back home!

PLEASE fill us in with the details!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I'm envious. Maybe you will meet some of our FSM British Buddies.

Now about those driving parts. Do you know how to drive on the WRONG side of the road? wink
I'd have to hire a British driver to keep me and other British people safe!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Nice trip. That's more places than I ever went in 30 years of living there. It all sounds great, Wales and Lindon particularly. I was in Crewe a lot 20 years ago but have no memory of what to do there. Hope all the trains, planes and automobiles are on time and working!

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Here is our itinerary so far:
Day 1-4: Overnight flight from Canada into London (Heathrow) and touring London - Airbnb
Day 5: Day trip to Oxford - back to London
Day 6: Harry Potter World/End in Portsmouth - stay with relatives
Day 7: Portsmouth - visit relatives
Day 8: Train from Portsmouth/Salisbury Cathedral/Stonehenge/End in Bath - Airbnb
Day 9: Tour Bath/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 10: Train to Didcot/Didcot (Great Western Railway Museum)/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 11: Bath/Rent car from Bath/Castle Combe/End at Thornbury Castle Hotel
Day 12: Drive to Tintern Abbey/Caerphilly Castle/End in Brecon area.
Day 13: Easy drive to Gladstone's Library via the A470/Stay at Gladstone's Library
Day 14: Ziplining at ZipWorld Bethesda/Caernarfon Castle/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 15: Day trip with friends to Snowdon Mountain Railway/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 16: Easy trip back to London from Crewe via train - Airbnb
Day 17: Milling around London before we fly out.


Seems OK to me. I'm not sure about day 8. While the train to Salisbury shouldn't be a problem and you'll have time to look around the cathedral, getting to Stonehenge may not be so easy. It's not that big a place though so shouldn't take you long to look round unless you want to spend a fair bit of time in the visitor centre reading stuff.

Wales is good for the scenery, especially the Snowdon area. Nice choice.

From a railway perspective I don't know that you'll find Crewe all that interesting these days, but as it doesn't appear to be a primary focus of your visit then I think you'll be fine.

Regarding driving, some roads here are quite tight country lanes that will slow you down so if you rely on satnav to get you from place to place, just make sure to review your route before you start out to see if there are A road and Motorway options that will keep the journey smoother, and set them up by using waypoints to drive between. In fact, it's probably a good idea to do some of that research with a map before coming over so that you have an idea of the more straightforward roads here.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

As regards Harry Potter World, first,y make sure you book well well in advance because it does sell out quickly for. onthe in advance.

Also pick your time slot carefully - After the intro you are left to tour at your leausure and there is a lot to see and read. If you are both big HP fans I would allow probably 4 hours at least.

Then you plan to go onto Portsmouth from there the same day? That's a good couple of hours (forget what Googlemaps say - you'll be going on a coup,emof. hair roads which are known for congestion and massive delays.

I would recommend you go on the earliest HP tour you can.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 2:37 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

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Then you plan to go onto Portsmouth from there the same day? That's a good couple of hours (forget what Googlemaps say - you'll be going on a coup,emof. hair roads which are known for congestion and massive delays.

I would recommend you go on the earliest HP tour you can.


Predictive text by any chance?

Mike, looking at the itinerary, I don't think a car is involved at this stage so, presumably, timings are linked to train times.

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I'm envious. Maybe you will meet some of our FSM British Buddies.

Now about those driving parts. Do you know how to drive on the WRONG side of the road? wink
I'd have to hire a British driver to keep me and other British people safe!


Now you know, Joan, it can't be the wrong side of the road ... not when 99% of the drivers in the country drive on the correct side (okay, we do have a few who aren't too sure ...). And, as someone who has driven through several continental countries (and the USA ... well, Florida at any rate) using both my own and local hire cars I can say that it doesn't take long to get used to being on the wrong side ...

.. of course, exiting right from side roads onto main roads will be a challenge; and, as for roundabouts (islands!), well I don't know if these are a common feature on Canadian roads. And getting used to UK fuel prices ...

And, you will recall that TG and I, and maybe others, have offered to chauffeur you during your UK visit. No charge, all you need do is pay for the food, lodging and day-to-day expenses at all the places we visit. smile

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Hey everybody,

My girlfriend and I are planning our first overseas trip and we've decided on England/Wales as a safe first choice.

Our interests are:
1) History (both of us)
2) Trains (me)
3) Exploring/Things off the beaten path/knick knack shopping (her)

Here is our itinerary so far:
Day 1-4: Overnight flight from Canada into London (Heathrow) and touring London - Airbnb
Day 5: Day trip to Oxford - back to London
Day 6: Harry Potter World/End in Portsmouth - stay with relatives
Day 7: Portsmouth - visit relatives
Day 8: Train from Portsmouth/Salisbury Cathedral/Stonehenge/End in Bath - Airbnb
Day 9: Tour Bath/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 10: Train to Didcot/Didcot (Great Western Railway Museum)/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 11: Bath/Rent car from Bath/Castle Combe/End at Thornbury Castle Hotel
Day 12: Drive to Tintern Abbey/Caerphilly Castle/End in Brecon area.
Day 13: Easy drive to Gladstone's Library via the A470/Stay at Gladstone's Library
Day 14: Ziplining at ZipWorld Bethesda/Caernarfon Castle/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 15: Day trip with friends to Snowdon Mountain Railway/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 16: Easy trip back to London from Crewe via train - Airbnb
Day 17: Milling around London before we fly out.

While on the surface, it may seem a little hectic but if you look closer, it's not that bad. For most of the trip, we would be sleeping in the same bed for more than one night (four nights in London, two nights in Portsmouth, three nights in Bath and two nights in Crewe). There are some long days for sure, but there are also quite a few relaxing days.

What do you guys think?

Edit: Unfortunately I could not find any film music concerts in the area that we are going to be in.


I'm amused at the word safe in your opening line ... have you met us Brits before?

Anyhow, apart from the fact that I've no interest in Railways and Harry Potter it sounds like a great trip ... I hate to think of the cost! smile

Certainly allow extra time where you can for traffic delays (and British Rail is not renown for its punctuality). My better half (who does most of our travel planning) did query where you would leave your luggage when you visit Harry Potter World (perhaps the exhibition has facilities for travellers).

It's so easy to say, have you thought about ... , why not visit ... and I will limit my suggestions to your Bath location (Days 11 & 12) when you have the hire car. If you have the opportunity to do so, please visit Wells and Cheddar Gorge. The time may not be available to you but whilst we like Bath (our daughter took her Masters there) the much smaller Wells is far prettier. As for the Gorge, don't bother to stop there but it's a lovely drive.

Enjoy!

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   ukgroove   (Member)

Hey everybody,

My girlfriend and I are planning our first overseas trip and we've decided on England/Wales as a safe first choice.

Our interests are:
1) History (both of us)
2) Trains (me)
3) Exploring/Things off the beaten path/knick knack shopping (her)

Here is our itinerary so far:
Day 1-4: Overnight flight from Canada into London (Heathrow) and touring London - Airbnb
Day 5: Day trip to Oxford - back to London
Day 6: Harry Potter World/End in Portsmouth - stay with relatives
Day 7: Portsmouth - visit relatives
Day 8: Train from Portsmouth/Salisbury Cathedral/Stonehenge/End in Bath - Airbnb
Day 9: Tour Bath/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 10: Train to Didcot/Didcot (Great Western Railway Museum)/Night in Bath - Airbnb
Day 11: Bath/Rent car from Bath/Castle Combe/End at Thornbury Castle Hotel
Day 12: Drive to Tintern Abbey/Caerphilly Castle/End in Brecon area.
Day 13: Easy drive to Gladstone's Library via the A470/Stay at Gladstone's Library
Day 14: Ziplining at ZipWorld Bethesda/Caernarfon Castle/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 15: Day trip with friends to Snowdon Mountain Railway/End in Crewe - stay with friends
Day 16: Easy trip back to London from Crewe via train - Airbnb
Day 17: Milling around London before we fly out.

While on the surface, it may seem a little hectic but if you look closer, it's not that bad. For most of the trip, we would be sleeping in the same bed for more than one night (four nights in London, two nights in Portsmouth, three nights in Bath and two nights in Crewe). There are some long days for sure, but there are also quite a few relaxing days.

What do you guys think?

Edit: Unfortunately I could not find any film music concerts in the area that we are going to be in.


But in Salisbury if you are interested in the cinema and English history, take a visit to a street called New Canal wherein you will find the oldest preserved cinema building in Britain with an origin going back to the Middle Ages. The auditorium is modern destruction but the frontage
and entrance hall is a national historical landmark.

http://www.theatrestrust.org.uk/resources/theatres/show/2275-odeon-salisbury

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Just beware the moon and stay off the moors.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   KevinSmith   (Member)

Now about those driving parts. Do you know how to drive on the WRONG side of the road? wink

You sound like my parents!

Nice trip. That's more places than I ever went in 30 years of living there. It all sounds great, Wales and Lindon particularly. I was in Crewe a lot 20 years ago but have no memory of what to do there. Hope all the trains, planes and automobiles are on time and working!

Crewe is just to visit friends otherwise we wouldn't go.

While the train to Salisbury shouldn't be a problem and you'll have time to look around the cathedral, getting to Stonehenge may not be so easy. It's not that big a place though so shouldn't take you long to look round unless you want to spend a fair bit of time in the visitor centre reading stuff.

There is a Stonehenge bus service "The Stonehenge Tour" from Salisbury. My girlfriend wanted to see Stonehenge, not me.

As regards Harry Potter World, first,y make sure you book well well in advance because it does sell out quickly for. onthe in advance.

Also pick your time slot carefully - After the intro you are left to tour at your leausure and there is a lot to see and read. If you are both big HP fans I would allow probably 4 hours at least.

Then you plan to go onto Portsmouth from there the same day? That's a good couple of hours (forget what Googlemaps say - you'll be going on a coup,emof. hair roads which are known for congestion and massive delays.

I would recommend you go on the earliest HP tour you can.


We have booked the second earliest one.

I'm amused at the word safe in your opening line ... have you met us Brits before?

I will try to avoid the ones that read the Daily Mail/The Sun.

Certainly allow extra time where you can for traffic delays (and British Rail is not renown for its punctuality). My better half (who does most of our travel planning) did query where you would leave your luggage when you visit Harry Potter World (perhaps the exhibition has facilities for travellers).

We will leave our luggage at London Waterloo station before we go to Harry Potter World (The Tube to London Euston/Train to Watford/Bus it from Watford). Then when we come back from Harry Potter World, our luggage is right at the train station of where we need to take the train to Portsmouth.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   KevinSmith   (Member)

Things we plan to do in London (in no particular order):
1) Bus Tour when we first get there
2) Victoria and Albert Museum
3) Fortnum & Mason
4) See a show
5) See a play at Shakespeare's Globe
6) Big Ben & Parliament Buildings (walk-by)
7) Changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace
8) Westminster Abbey
9) Churchill War Rooms
10) London Eye
11) Tower of London
12) HMS Belfast
13) Evensong at St Paul's Cathedral
14) Twinning Museum
15) Covent Garden shopping

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Things we plan to do in London (in no particular order):
1) Bus Tour when we first get there
2) Victoria and Albert Museum
3) Fortnum & Mason
4) See a show
5) See a play at Shakespeare's Globe
6) Big Ben & Parliament Buildings (walk-by)
7) Changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace
8) Westminster Abbey
9) Churchill War Rooms
10) London Eye
11) Tower of London
12) HMS Belfast
13) Evensong at St Paul's Cathedral
14) Twinning Museum
15) Covent Garden shopping


And in the afternoon?

Oh yes, you're taking four days in London, ok.

As well as the bus tour, you can go on the river, which I think DMD enjoyed when we travelled from near the West End down to Tower Bridge a few years ago. And do have a pint at The Punch & Judy at Covent Garden.


And finally, there's about ten miles of good roads in the whole of Wales. In my experience of holidaying near Snowdonia every year since 2006, add 30-50% to any published journey time!

Good for you, by the way, for not only sticking to London. The rest of the UK has considerable amounts to offer.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Things we plan to do in London (in no particular order):
1) Bus Tour when we first get there
2) Victoria and Albert Museum
3) Fortnum & Mason
4) See a show
5) See a play at Shakespeare's Globe
6) Big Ben & Parliament Buildings (walk-by)
7) Changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace
8) Westminster Abbey
9) Churchill War Rooms
10) London Eye
11) Tower of London
12) HMS Belfast
13) Evensong at St Paul's Cathedral
14) Twinning Museum
15) Covent Garden shopping


Word of advice when using the tube: do not get a paper ticket from the machine/counter. Don't even get a one day travel ticket. They're much more expensive than using a contactless or Oyster card.

My UK bank debit card is contactless and I can use it to swipe in and out at tube stations. This is what I use to pay fares - the cost is lower than buying a single journey ticket at a machine. Plus, if the monetary value of the journeys you make during a day reaches a certain level, your payment is 'capped' and you won't pay anymore. For example, if you only travel within zone 1 and 2 (Central London) all day, when your tube spend hits £6.60, you won't pay any more, regardless of how many journeys you make that day. All the journeys after that are free. If you only travel within zones 1-3 all day, the daily cap is £7.70. And so on and so on.

Now consider that a one day paper travelcard within zones 1-2 costs £12.30, and you can see you're saving 50%!
This is one of the best kept secrets of London travel.

Here is a table showing you all the caps for the zones.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/adult-fares-2017.pdf

Obviously your contactless card won't be a UK one, so there would be a transaction fee charged. However, if you have a card that doesn't charge you for foreign transactions, your card is as good as a UK one. I think only credit cards offer this service.

If you don't have a card that offers foreign transactions for free, I recommend getting an Oyster card. It operates exactly the same as above, but you have to pay for the card. A 'Visitor Oyster card' costs £3 (plus postage) and you can pre-load it with pay as you go credit for you to spend on travel. So you and your partner could send off for these in the post (you can't buy them in London). Here's a link explaining how to get them.

https://visitorshop.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/london-visitor-oyster-card/

You can get unused credit refunded to you in London.

You won't find a system like this outside London, alas.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Mitch, I know it is the “wrong” side because I’m female. Isn’t Mother Nature always correct? wink
I love your offer to chauffeur me around England. However, I’ve decided to let Kevin have the joy of my company. He said I sounded like his parents, so being a motherly figure, I think I should go with Kevin and his girlfriend as a chaperone. No hanky panky with me along. He’s going to LOVE me.

Seriously, I’m noting all of the suggestions from the “locals.” Good information for those of us who might show up some day.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

If "The Huester" visits England, then especially "Stay Off The Moors!"

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2017 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Bath is great. Do visit the avenue but where they filmed Who will buy this wonderful feeling song from Oliver.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 2:43 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Things we plan to do in London (in no particular order):
1) Bus Tour when we first get there
2) Victoria and Albert Museum
3) Fortnum & Mason
4) See a show
5) See a play at Shakespeare's Globe
6) Big Ben & Parliament Buildings (walk-by)
7) Changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace
8) Westminster Abbey
9) Churchill War Rooms
10) London Eye
11) Tower of London
12) HMS Belfast
13) Evensong at St Paul's Cathedral
14) Twinning Museum
15) Covent Garden shopping


All great stuff (esp. the Tower Of London) some people think a bus tour is a bit naff, but I think it's a good idea, you get the lie of the land & make a note of where you want to go back to. You probably won't spend that long in Covent Garden, & a couple of minutes walk away from there is Trafalgar Square, & there you'll find The National Gallery, tons of classic paintings, you'll know 'em from books, LP covers & magazines, see the originals, & it's free to get in. A couple of minutes walk away from the V&A there's the Science Museum (my favourite & all of them free). And if you're in London on a Saturday you must go to a market, & my pick is Portobello Road Market (Notting Hill Gate tube station), a very busy friendly market.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2017 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

In London, be careful of wasting time on the tube when the distances between stations are only a couple of minutes walk. Have a map of central London with you at all times and check the distances. For instance, Leicester Square to Covent Garden is a few minutes walk and at busy times in can be quicker to walk than take the tube.

Oh, and if you're interested in railways, there's the London Transport Museum near Covent Garden (http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/visit) ... wink

 
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