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 Posted:   Oct 11, 2016 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Ready for descent — deploy thrusters! The Schiaparelli spacecraft, part of the European Space Agency's (ESA) ExoMars mission to Mars, has received its landing commands for its expected Oct. 19 touchdown on the Red Planet, and a new video shows how the spacecraft will descend.

Launched on March 14, the ExoMars mission rocketed two connected spacecraft, the Trace Gas Orbiter and its Schiaparelli lander, toward Mars. The two spacecraft are expected to separate on Sunday (Oct. 16), and if all goes according to plan, the Schiaparelli lander will descend on the Martian surface three days later. While the Schiaparelli lander is on the Martian surface, the Trace Gas Orbiter will orbit the Red Planet and study its atmosphere.



Source:
http://www.space.com/34341-european-spacecraft-mars-landing-next-week.html

Note:
The United States is the only country (to my knowledge) who have successfully landed a working probe or rover on Mars out of dozens of tries since the early 70's.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2016 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Update:

A European spacecraft destined to land on Mars detached from its mothership on Sunday (Oct. 16), setting the stage for a daring descent to the Red Planet's surface later this week.

Source:
http://www.space.com/34399-european-mars-lander-separates-exomars-mothership.html

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2016 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Been there, done that. With luck it will bounce off the atmosphere and hook up with Rosetta on the comet. God may not play dice, but he does like to play cosmic billiards once in a while.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2016 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

Last Child wrote: With luck it will bounce off the atmosphere and hook up with Rosetta on the comet.

That sounds like a 1950s B-grade "science" fiction movie where everything in space is the same distance away. You take off for the Moon and wind up at Mars because you missed an exit, or took a wrong turn. And you'll pass Saturn on the way back home. Actual distance, transit time and fuel be damned.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2016 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I recently watched the entire first season of the classic anime Space Battleship Yamato. They went from Mars to Pluto and somehow back to Saturn, all while leaving the solar system. confused

As far as been there and done that. Yes, the USA has, mulitple times. But neither Russia, China, India or Europe have. So I'm kinda excited to see if they can pull it off this time.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


The Schiaparelli lander — part of the European-Russian ExoMars 2016 mission — is scheduled to touch down on the Martian surface this morning at 10:48 a.m. EDT (1448 GMT).

The European Space Agency will have live coverage of the ExoMars lander's touchdown on Mars in a series of webcasts. First, a Social TV program will cover the arrival and landing from 9 a.m. EDT (1300 GMT) and will be off an on ahead of ESA's main program. The main program follows in two parts, one from 11:44 a.m. – 12:59 p.m. EDT (1544–1659 GMT) and the other from 2:25 – 4:03 p.m. EDT (1825–2003 GMT). The webcasts are among a series of broadcasts by ESA to chronicle the ExoMars arrival.



Watch live Mars landing at following link:

http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Fifteen minutes since projected landing time and still, no ping!

I wonder if ESA has spent a lot of money gouging out yet another hole on Mars?

Hopefully not, though, it doesn't look good right now. The folks in Darmstadt seem pretty unmoved . . . considering.

We'll have to wait a little longer to see whether or not the probe survived the landing attempt.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Another failed Mars landing, and they still think they can send people there?! Give it up (for now) and put the money towards reversing climate change.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

As Yoda would say, "Patience, the boy(s) has no patience."

ESA Operations ?@esaoperations 22m22 minutes ago

The @ESA_EDM landing recording from #MarsExpress has started arriving on Earth, #ESOC teams report seeing packets flowing #ExoMars

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Another failed Mars landing, and they still think they can send people there?! Give it up (for now) and put the money towards reversing climate change.

You can't reverse climate change, only mitigate it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Another failed Mars landing, and they still think they can send people there?! Give it up (for now) and put the money towards reversing climate change.

Whether they send people there or not, the imagery we've been privileged to witness, thus far, from the surface of another planet is a sort of post-biblical, biblical type event, but for real. I don't need a justification for going. Any useful geophysical science or otherwise obtained in the process is bonus.

You can't reverse the evolution the climate is undergoing. That button has already been pushed.

Edit: 17.37 GMT - There has been a signal from the TGO in orbit around Mars which sent a cheer through mission control. That doesn't say much for the lander yet.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The satellite successfully went to it's planned orbit. (Edit: It went into orbit. To early to tell if it's in the proper orbit.) Signal received thus far says the lander entered the atmosphere and parachute were deployed. No confirmation on soft landing yet.

Edit: Grecchus beat me to it. wink

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Pity we can't discuss the matter over a beer, or a cup of tea. smile

Edit: There has been clarification this mission is a co-operative venture on the parts of ESA, ROSCOSMOS and NASA.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Pity we can't discuss the matter over a beer. smile

Edit: There has been clarification this mission is a co-operative venture on the parts of ESA, ROSCOSMOS and NASA.


I think NASA's involvement is very little. Using our relay stations on Earth and orbiting satellites at Mars for communication purposes. The ESA helped NASA similarly with it's Mars landings.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The satellite successfully went to it's planned orbit. (Edit: It went into orbit. To early to tell if it's in the proper orbit.) Signal received thus far says the lander entered the atmosphere and parachute were deployed. No confirmation on soft landing yet.

The TGO's orbit is very similar to the one Juno has adopted around Jupiter (what the heck is going on there?), which is to say, it is highly elliptical. The interesting thing about the TGO is they are passing the orbiter so close to Mars at it's actual point of closest approach, that it is inside the outer layer of Mars' atmosphere. Whereas we are used to thinking of fiery entry to a planetary atmosphere, the TGO's solar panels are being used to brake it's velocity in the very thin outer atmosphere so that the length of the semi-major axis of it's elliptic orbit reduces a certain amount with each successive pass round the point of closest approach. In this manner, the point of the orbiter's highest altitude above Mars reduces until it lowers sufficiently to be about the same as it's point of closest approach. They are aero-braking it using atmospheric friction in stages, rather than using fuel to do the job. When the elliptical orbit has reduced to something resembling a circle, they will have to do a couple of burns to raise the TGO's overall orbit so that any atmospheric interference with it's motion is substantially reduced, otherwise it would automatically de-orbit itself to premature destruction.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The satellite successfully went to it's planned orbit. (Edit: It went into orbit. To early to tell if it's in the proper orbit.) Signal received thus far says the lander entered the atmosphere and parachute were deployed. No confirmation on soft landing yet.

The TGO's orbit is very similar to the one Juno has adopted around Jupiter (what the heck is going on there?), which is to say, it is highly elliptical. The interesting thing about the TGO is they are passing the orbiter so close to Mars at it's actual point of closest approach, that it is inside the outer layer of Mars' atmosphere. Whereas we are used to thinking of fiery entry to a planetary atmosphere, the TGO's solar panels are being used to brake it's velocity in the very thin outer atmosphere so that the length of the semi-major axis of it's elliptic orbit reduces a certain amount with each successive pass round the point of closest approach. In this manner, the point of the orbiter's highest altitude above Mars reduces until it lowers sufficiently to be about the same as it's point of closest approach. They are aero-braking it using atmospheric friction in stages, rather than using fuel to do the job. When the elliptical orbit has reduced to something resembling a circle, they will have to do a couple of burns to raise the TGO's overall orbit so that any atmospheric interference with it's motion is substantially reduced, otherwise it would automatically de-orbit itself to premature destruction.


Cool! Thxs for the detailed explanation. I had no idea this was the approach they were taking. Sound rather complicated.

Damn I just missed the latest update. The video was spinning and didn't load until the very end. What I got at the last minute was they still don't know the condition of the lander. Is that correct? I think this was the last update for today.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Shame about the lander, i was following the updates, but at least everything else seems to have gone well.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I missed it too, Sol. They used the same sort of method to deploy the lander that was used to land Curiosity. In this case there were three sets of rocket engines in clusters of three per set equally spaced around the circumference of the lander, whereas, I think the Curiosity thrust vector system used a more stable set of four rocket streams pointing downwards, and it was lowered from that novel designed crane mechanism, which winched it down to the surface with the softest of bumps. ExoMars sort of wobbled down to a height of two metres, whereupon the rocket engines controlling it's descent cut off, and it dropped to the surface under Martian gravity. If, during the descent after separation from the drag chute the wobble increased to an ever increasing oscillation, or one of the three rocket engine clusters malfunctioned, the lander might have lost control of it's descent. Don't forget, the Martian atmosphere is very, very thin. They designed it to absorb the impact with the planet surface from the 2m hover - but who knows, maybe something broke?

Why couldn't they have used a set of twangy, long, spring-like legs to absorb the force of impact so the risk of any breakage is much reduced? A bit like a spider or crane fly.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Why couldn't they have used a set of twangy, long, spring-like legs to absorb the force of impact so the risk of any breakage is much reduced? A bit like a spider or crane fly.

This may very well be it's design flaw if the decent rockets did their job. I was quite surprised not to see landing legs of some kind in their design. I know gravity is half of Earth (something like that) but it's a far cry from say landing something on the Moon.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2016 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Well, we're only surmising what may have happened here. The platform was throwaway from the start. It is not powered via a renewable form of energy transfer, such as solar power cell, or anything similar. As you may well know, it was powered by batteries and, therefore, a very limited lifetime is all it would have, anyway. It's whole design is actually totally contrary to the paradigm under which modern spacecraft systems seem to revolve these days - which involves some kind of longevity and the ability to move from place to place.

 
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