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 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

NASA's Juno spacecraft is scheduled to enter into orbit around Jupiter Monday night (July 4), ending its nearly five-year trek to the solar system's biggest planet.

The key event Monday is a 35-minute engine burn at 11:18 p.m. EDT (0318 GMT on Tuesday), which is designed to slow Juno down enough to be captured by Jupiter's powerful gravity.


Source:

http://www.space.com/33333-juno-spacecraft-jupiter-arrival-timeline.html

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

VERY interested in this. Since I`ve been alive there has always been an unresolved back-and-forth about what lies within Jupiter`s atmosphere: rocky core material, compressed gas in liquid form, just more gas... . I wish the mission well and look forward to finally knowing what is there. Should be fascinating.

Perhaps we will also find out more details about the red spot, and its source.

Should be some exceptional imagery as well.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

A very interesting mission. Juno, apparently, won't last as long as other probes because the radiation emanating from Jupiter is highly energetic and it's instrumentation is going to get cooked very quickly. I wonder who has placed bets on how long the hardware will last?

I didn't think a probe could orbit the giant planet at such close range because the fuel required to do so would be prohibitive. To get to Jupiter, Juno had to fly past the earth a second time to capitalize on the slingshot effect, so I guess one of the reasons it has taken a while to get there was due to the fuel constraints on the mission - that is to say, a high proportion needed to be reserved just to slow down enough right at the end.

If anyone didn't already know, in Arthur C. Clarke's sequel to 2001 - 2010: Odyssey Two, the alien race looking out for humanity decides to turn Jupiter into another star, which in the book was renamed "Lucifer." To do this, the Monolith somehow compressed the hydrogen/helium volume normally occupied by Jupiter to fit into a much smaller size, thereby allowing it to shine as a star via the nuclear fusion process. The aim in the story was to give life on Europa a chance. Some people, in fact, view Jupiter as a "failed" star. It's almost as though Jupiter itself is made from residual gas which somehow cleaved off from the mass which formed the Sun. The ratio between large gaseous and small rocky planets, and their formation locations within a given solar system is currently a hot topic.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yes, their very concerned about the radiation coming from Jupiter. Will the spacecraft function for it's two year mission, or get fried within 30 minutes of arrival?!

We are finding many solar systems with dual stars, so it seems reasonable Jupiter was a failed star. This also jives with current theory Jupiter formed much closer in towards the Sun, then was pushed out with a tug of war with Saturn.

With a 45 minute delay in communication we won't know until close to 1am Monday morning if it successfully entered orbit, and survived it's initial contact with the gas giant.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2016 - 10:07 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

So far so good. They believe it successfully completed it's 35 minute burn and Juno is in the proper orbit around Jupiter. Their waiting now for confirmation the ship has turned around towards the Sun. It's solar powered. If it doesn't turn around the batteries will drain and the mission will be a failure.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2016 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

One could argue that most gas giants are or were potential stars that never acquired the mass needed to ignite, perhaps.

5:38 AM here in FlatLand (Saskatchewan). I wonder what Juno`s status is.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2016 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The 1am EST press conference confirmed Juno turned back towards the Sun. So according to all the data they got back, it successfully performed it's pre-programmed burn, orbit and orientation.

The craft is on a very elliptical path. Right now it's in a 53 day orbit. It's designed to fly in close, do it's science mission, they fly far out so to minimize radiation damage. It will repeat this process.

The science experiments need to be turned back on, and it won't do it's primary science for another 53 days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2016 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

This is really cool stuff and i hope it all goes as well as it can and we learn some really interesting things from the data they collect. 99% of it is beyond the capabilities of my tiny mind but its good stuff.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2016 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

*Will* it be 53 days before we get data from Juno? After all, if its locked into a 53 day orbit, does that not mean that in approximately 26 days it will travel half its orbit? I`d also be interested to know where on its ellipse it entered orbit (i.e. travelling into the pole, well-past the pole).

Also...
(breath...)

... Isn`t Juno going to enter a 14 day cloud-skimming orbit by firing its rockets again? Or am I thinking of an end-phase burn?

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2016 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

*Will* it be 53 days before we get data from Juno? After all, if its locked into a 53 day orbit, does that not mean that in approximately 26 days it will travel half its orbit? I`d also be interested to know where on its ellipse it entered orbit (i.e. travelling into the pole, well-past the pole).

Also...
(breath...)

... Isn`t Juno going to enter a 14 day cloud-skimming orbit by firing its rockets again? Or am I thinking of an end-phase burn?


The major close up science begins in 53 days, or there abouts. But they will turn the science equipment back on in a few days, (if they haven't already) one by one making sure their all operational. Then they can do some science until it reaches it's closest approach.

When it swings back out it will use that time to transmit it's data back to Earth. To my knowledge the spacecraft won't fire it's engines again until after the mission is completed. Then it will be deliberately destroyed by sending it into the heart of Jupiter.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2016 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Warlock's question about the entry point in the ellipse is a discerning one. The reason for a polar orbit is obvious - all the weather bands parallel to the planetary equator are traversed. The hemispherical "sparking" is monitored both ends, so to speak. Don't quote me, but the ellipse could be entered at any point, just so long as the spacecraft rocket engine can fire with sufficient thrust and duration to place it with the required velocity. But you can enter either at the point of closest or furthest approach. When making course corrections, it is best to do so while further away from a gravitational source because that force peters out with greater radial distance due to the inverse square law. The closer you get to the planet the faster you fall to the centre, and the more fuel you need to counter that greater stranglehold. So I think Juno might have entered the orbit around Jupiter at the point furthest away from the planetary periphery, where the altitude is highest. Theoretically, that way the probe should need a slightly lesser amount of fuel to jockey for position. The hard part was braking - changing the shape of the orbit then requires less energy, though, with something the size of Jupiter, all evolutions would require highly energetic impulses to be put into effect, I should think.

Edit: My guess was out. Looks like Juno fired it's rocket engine at closest approach. The orbit is much more elliptical than I could have imagined. If you care to look there's an animation which gives a little more insight how things worked:

http://spaceflight101.com/juno/juno-mission-trajectory-design/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMdcTRE8uR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka6OERznXh4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNHfoNIiZ8Y

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2016 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Update:

http://www.space.com/33375-juno-jupiter-probe-turns-on-science-instruments.html

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2016 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I have learned some interesting facts about Jupiter!

1. AM radio static that you hear at night is caused by Jupiter!
2. Scientists now believe that the possibility of life in other solar systems requires a Jupiter-like planet in the system to pull things into its orbit.
3. Jupiter is likely to last after the sun burns out, and life could evolve on its moons even without the sun.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2016 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I've sometimes wondered what happens to the orbits of planets beholden to their star as the star itself loses mass throughout it's life.

What happens as a star shrinks? Here's a thought experiment. If the Sun were suddenly to lose half it's current mass, how would that directly affect it's planetary population? How much of it's current mass would be gone when it eventually becomes a white dwarf? Will the remaining planets have correspondingly wider orbits than they do now? This seems to me to be one sure-fire way of enabling planetary migration.

It is also an interesting way to think about gravity. If the Sun's gravitational well will decrease by the proportion of it's mass lost as heat radiation, light and so on, then you can think of it as that part of it's gravitational locality expanding outwardly, or as having escaped into the wider Cosmos?

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2016 - 1:31 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

First photo:

http://www.space.com/33406-juno-jupiter-orbit-first-photo.html

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2016 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I've sometimes wondered what happens to the orbits of planets beholden to their star as the star itself loses mass throughout it's life.

What happens as a star shrinks? Here's a thought experiment. If the Sun were suddenly to lose half it's current mass, how would that directly affect it's planetary population? How much of it's current mass would be gone when it eventually becomes a white dwarf? Will the remaining planets have correspondingly wider orbits than they do now? This seems to me to be one sure-fire way of enabling planetary migration.

It is also an interesting way to think about gravity. If the Sun's gravitational well will decrease by the proportion of it's mass lost as heat radiation, light and so on, then you can think of it as that part of it's gravitational locality expanding outwardly, or as having escaped into the wider Cosmos?


Doesn't a star retain a lot of it's mass when it shrinks down into a white dwarf? I often hear it's something the size of the Earth, but with the mass of a star. If it keeps it's mass wouldn't it keep it's gravitational influence?

Of course a star will grow exponentially in size (red giant) before it blows off it's outer layer of gas. So planetary orbits would already be disrupted way before it shrinks in size.

Assuming a star looses a lot of it's gravitational pull as a white dwarf, I would suspect (in the case of our solar system) Jupiter could become the dominating gravitational force and it would most certainly effect the orbits of other planetary bodies.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2016 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I guess a white dwarf will still be much larger than Jupiter by mass after the red giant stage. Stellar evolution is a complex thing and I doubt we know the full facts just yet.

What I was really trying to convey is that the reduced gravitational pull of the star must equate to the gravitational energy it has lost via the fusion process over the period in which it has shone in a state of thermal equilibrium. When Ligo announced their first discovery, the total amount of gravitational wave energy dispersed by the so-called combining of two very large black hole masses was the equivalent of something like one stellar mass - the sum total of everything that has ever comprised our Sun - which is somehow lost/dispersed in an instant of time.

Edit: Wikipedia says by the time it gets to be a white dwarf, the Sun will contain about 54.05% the mass it has today - a little bit more than half its current size. That will surely have a drastic effect on Jupiter's orbit? The human race will, by then, have been long washed down the cosmic toilet into the mist of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2016 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Juno's long orbit means nothing of note really happens until it hurtles past Jupiter at close range, albeit in the blink of an eye, relatively speaking. Then, all hell breaks loose!

I thought there would be more ongoing information regarding the probe's findings, but it seems there has been a serious glitch.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/after-glitch-nasa-s-juno-probe-resumes-science-mission-at-jupiter/

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2016 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I heard about the glitch, but wasn't to worried. This seems to be a regular issue with various crafts, lander's and rovers. So far they've been able to correct the issue or find a work around. Hopefully that will be the case here!

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2016 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I heard about the glitch, but wasn't to worried. This seems to be a regular issue with various crafts, lander's and rovers. So far they've been able to correct the issue or find a work around. Hopefully that will be the case here!

Except in this case, the idea was to reduce the time it takes to orbit Jupiter from 53 days to 14. If they couldn't get the strong-arm rockets to fire to do that, there exists the real possibility Juno may be stuck in the current predicament in perpetuity. If they couldn't fire those engines in the first place, they're not in a position to send someone out with a monkey wrench to put right whatever has gone wrong. And they won't find out either way until December 11.

 
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