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 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I've been feeling a bit strange recently, like I'm entering another stage of life. It might only last a day, but at the moment it's an odd thing indeed.

I could have put this on the other side of the Board, but I didn't want it to be soundtrack specific. Anyway, I'll be brief, as I don't feel like spending time in front of the computer screen talking to people I don't really know (although you are all virtually my friends - ha!).

I've been feeling burdened by the amount of things I have. Music that I "have to" listen to 100 times over, simply because I've got it, DVDs of films I "must" watch more often than they deserve, because if not they're just taking up space, books and magazines and things and each time more and more and more. I feel that they own me. Even photograph albums. Who's interested in looking at those things now? And clothes. FOUR pairs of shoes? Why?

And so I thought of one of my favourite score CDs (actually, it wasn't anything specific) and in my new frame of mind I thought that no, I really DON'T need to hear it again. I don't NEED to hear it again. I'd be happier (?) if its beauty wasn't dragging me into HAVING to hear it again.

And I imagined how free I'd be if I simply didn't have anything to keep. I'd get books from the library, watch films once at the cinema, look at good documentaries and stuff on YouTube (and explore more music there too, but not listening to the same thing over and over again). I'd buy new shoes when the old ones fell off my feet.

I'd still work of course, because although this is an "anti-materialistic" rant, I'd still like to have a house to live in, and I'd have to pay for food and my Internet connection etc (although I'd drift away from forums - too much of a pull there, another obligation). Oh, and I'd need money to travel, and to really experience life and meet new people. And then most things would begin to exist as strong memories in my head, instead of as anti-social addictive hardware on my shelves.

That is how I feel today.

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Graham, even if you wish to no longer own physical media (CDs, LPs, PCs, etc.), you MUST listen to dodecaphonic music.

You will obey ...

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

"Imagine no possessions. I wonder if you can.."

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Graham's wife?
Let him back on the computer.
You can't stop him from buying score CD's!! wink

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'd still work of course, because although this is an "anti-materialistic" rant

I've been doing a lot of self reflecting myself lately on this subject. I by no means "own" a lot of stuff. But I have more than I have to own. It's hard to let go. So much of what I do have just sits there not really appreciated. There's just a satisfaction in "owning" it. Something I worked for. But I certainly can't take it to my grave, and there's no one else who would be interested in my modest collection of stuff.

I also thought about going digital. ( lower quality issues aside) But do I really need all those physical CD's? I maybe moving soon and I won't have the space I have now. So hard choices are ahead of me. What to keep what to let go of. But the less you own, the less bills you have the less stress on ones life as well. But it really comes down to the fundamental what makes one happy and can they be happy or even happier with much less stuff. As you said take in the "real" world. Talk to real people, go to real places.

I knew someone who by choice had almost no material possessions. He loved going to the beach, surfing, camping, and sitting around talking with friends. It was a simple life but he was happy and really never cared for anything else.

I imagine if the human species is still around in a thousand years they will contemplate if they should keep their physical bodies or transfer their brain waves into a computer where they will be more free to roam the world or even the universe.

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

In the year 2525, if Man is still alive...

Dr. Zaius: He won't survive.

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

What will he find?
His destiny.

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

The moment i saw mr Que's name, i knew we could turn this into a Pota thread! Ha ha.

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Graham, even if you wish to no longer own physical media (CDs, LPs, PCs, etc.), you MUST listen to dodecaphonic music.

...with a moonrock needle!

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

So basically mr watt you want to rip your collection to the computer and dump a lot of your physical CDs and such like?

Or box it up, label it, and put it away so you pretend not to have so much stuff.?

I always find the times when im brutal and have a clear out, no less than 2 weeks later i remember it as better than it was and want to play it again!

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Dp for a change

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I feel exactly where Graham is coming from.
In my opinion, it represents a quantum shift in thinking that many of us, in varying degrees, are making as we approach a specific level of psychological development--particularly pertaining to our own perceptions of materialism and what we need in order to exist comfortably (as opposed to what we WANT in order to live comfortably).

I think I don't have the eloquence to properly explain it, but I hope some of that made sense.

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

I've been feeling a bit strange recently, like I'm entering another stage of life. It might only last a day, but at the moment it's an odd thing indeed.

Guessing I am that you are soon to or have already approached middle age. smile

I was told that with elderly it can get more pronounced, with them being "tired of forming new relationships", including relationships with yet another machine, yet another technology. Hence, the stereotypical unwillingness to jump into the next new thing.

I'm doing this sort of thing, too, lately, because I'm 52 now, and also in a small apartment. I'm not so much getting new stuff as just replacing older things that really need replacing, or replacing them with more durable versions (cast iron cookware, for instance).

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Geological weathering and, uh, continental drift do strange things to a fella.

 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Graham, It's called decluttering and you can buy books on how to approach this necessary, inevitable but unwelcome task. You could fill a bookshelf or two with books on how to declutter smile but, reading between the lines I get the impression your heart's not in it.

I'm a great one for storing boxes ... because, who knows, the day may come when I want to dispose of an item (perhaps even try to sell said item) and then the box it came it will be very useful. And when the box outlives the item ... well then there will always be another use for the box. I have a garage full of boxes which I keep having to move to get to the things I sometimes need ...

Books: well, I'm a slow reader and I reckon I have enough collected over 50 years or so that I'm happy to dispose of each as I now re-read them - mostly they go for resale in a local National Trust property.

But when it comes to music ... I really struggle because even though I have no affinity for album X or score Y today who knows what I'll fancy listening to tomorrow? So take heed: you're not alone in your deliberations but I do recommend you look at transferring (ripping) those once-prized purchases to a hard-drive so that you can access any of those songs, cues, whatever at some date ... rather than have to go searching on-line for a poor quality rip someone else has done.

And guess what: I've got a spare box or two you could have to store all those CDs in.


 Posted:   Apr 27, 2016 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Graham, this is so pertinent to me at the moment that it is almost ironic. You see, we are in the process of moving my elderly mother-in-law into a senior living community. Through the years, we have always known that she retained everything, or so it seemed. I can't define her as a hoarder in a true sense. The house she is leaving was always in perfect order, immaculate and elegantly decorated. All of the items around the house were kept in the basement, attic and in closets. Oh my, the volume.

My husband and I, along with our kids and other relatives have been helping her go through the house to sort, clean, classify, box and move her possessions. We are exhausted. If I had an hour, I would list the treasures we have uncovered. These have included her own mother's Christening gown and Wedding gown. We found her father's WWI medals and uniforms. We found glass negatives of family photos taken in the early 1900's. Did I tell you about the dishes and glassware? Carnival glass by the box and World's Fair glasses from 1939 that look like they just came out of a box as new. The list goes on and on and on.

Along with the treasures, we have found every box from every appliance or electronic device purchased since the beginning of time. All were piled neatly in the basement. Perhaps not since the beginning of time but at least from the last 30 years. Top that off with 88 years worth of books, Bibles, photos, greeting cards, letters, postcards to infinity and beyond. We are exhausted and fascinated at the same time.

I have learned SO much about this lovely woman this past month by being a part of the move. But I also learned something about myself. I have decided that I cannot leave this amount of "stuff" behind for my family to deal with. My husband and I are looking to downsize our home after we retire and it will begin by unloading many items I can live without, which may include some music. Oh God, did I just say that?

Graham, I needed to read this tonight. Thanks.

 Posted:   Apr 28, 2016 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The downsizing issue has crept up before. I suppose if anyone is serious about the prospect of diminishing some aspect of themselves, then it must come down to a pretty good reason or set of reasons for going that way. Whatever the scale, it's just a little bit sad when the glow starts to fade.

 Posted:   Apr 28, 2016 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

In 2005, I moved from a five-bedroom house to a three-bedroom condominium.
The third story of that house was my studio. Having been a career artist, I had accumulated over thirty years worth of artwork.
When moving time arrived, I planned to spend time investigating all of the old art files. There were probably hundreds of cartoons, illustrations and designs that I didn't want to part with.
In the end, I didn't have enough time to do that.
I had to toss all of that artwork from the third story window into a dump truck below.
And then I wept.
As that dump truck pulled away, and I watched all of my artwork headed to a trash heap somewhere, it was like a switch was thrown in my mind.
From that moment until today, I have not cared about "things" anymore.
It was like being set free!
I don't own any "thing" that I care about.
My focus is on the people in my life. The relationships I have.
I was in bondage to all of the stuff I once owned, and now I'm FREE!
I've never known a greater level of peace before, and I intend to keep it!

 Posted:   Apr 28, 2016 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

In other words, just say "No!" to shit.

As in, "No shit?"

 Posted:   Apr 28, 2016 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Damn Dp!

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