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Where are the worst Oscar wins for Best Original Score listed?
Also, for those unfamiliar with the Herbie Hancock injustice, could you please list some reasons why Carmine didn't deserve his Oscar?
(I think he dropped the statue soon after receiving it, and its head fell off. Where did I read that anecdote?)
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The Godfather Part II is an outstanding score
Indeed. It retains the main elements of the first film's score, the Godfather theme and Michael's theme (even the love theme makes a brief appearance when Vito returns to Sicily), while mostly concentrating on new material, primarily “The Immigrant,” which is basically the main theme of Part II. Kay's theme and “A New Carpet” are also great.
For those who are unaware, The Godfather Epic, one of the chronological edits of the first two Godfather films supervised by Francis Ford Coppola, is now available on HBO GO and HBO NOW in high definition.
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Drop it ! You are not making any sense!
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But why is 'Round Midnight widely considered an undeserved Oscar win but not The Godfather Part II?
I don't understand the parallel you make between both because we're dealing with two completely different cases. As far as I understood it 'ROUND MIDNIGHT' was considered a wrong choice of the Academy because it should have competed in another category since it was chiefly based on arrangements of existing stuff. Therefore Morricone rightfully felt cheated when THE MISSION did not receive the statuette. But Rota did write new music for THE GODFATHER Part II.
But Jerry Goldsmith wrote a masterpiece in 10 days while the score to The Godfather Part II used existing pieces.
The bottomline?
The Score in retrospect is quite good, it was composed for one of the greatest films of the last 50 years, it won the award and that is just the way it goes.
It's far from the worst score to ever win the award.
'ROUND MIDNIGHT' IMHO shouldn't have been nominated for a variety of reasons, but it was and it won....
Accept it and just move on.
Ford A. Thaxton
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Feb 7, 2016 - 10:18 PM
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Jerry Goldsmith wrote a masterpiece in 10 days while the score to The Godfather Part II used existing pieces.
I don't get the ten days thing. What does that have to do with anything? You might as well say the opposite -- that spending years on a score is more deserving. In any event, length of time spent on a project doesn't -- and shouldn't -- figure in
"Round Midnight" consisted nearly entirely of Herbie Hancock's arrangements of existing pieces by other composers. It is widely assumed that Academy members voted for it because they had no idea the music they were hearing was not original, and they liked the music (in a music-driven film).
Sure, "The Godfather, Part II" featured themes from the first film (and one of those themes was itself rearranged from Rota's score for "Fortunella"), but Rota and Coppola composed a great deal of original music for the film too, including Rota's haunting "Immigrant" theme. In addition, the score fits the film like a glove, and seeped into popular culture. And Rota was a veteran composer who scored over 150 films in his career, and whose work was often groundbreaking. So I don't think most fans were terribly upset by his win, even if it technically violated some rules (just as I think few of us will be upset if Morricone wins this year for "The Hateful Eight," despite existing music being tracked into the film).
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The Godfather Part II is a sequel so it references the three main themes from the first film, but the score consists primarily of original music. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Something else you need to remember is that the rules change sometimes. That's why Howard Shore could be nominated for FOTR and ROTK, but not TTT (which actually has more original music in it — as in not based on previously established themes — than ROTK).
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Feb 8, 2016 - 9:03 AM
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swodniw
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Jerry Goldsmith wrote a masterpiece in 10 days while the score to The Godfather Part II used existing pieces.
I don't get the ten days thing. What does that have to do with anything? You might as well say the opposite -- that spending years on a score is more deserving. In any event, length of time spent on a project doesn't -- and shouldn't -- figure in
"Round Midnight" consisted nearly entirely of Herbie Hancock's arrangements of existing pieces by other composers. It is widely assumed that Academy members voted for it because they had no idea the music they were hearing was not original, and they liked the music (in a music-driven film).
Sure, "The Godfather, Part II" featured themes from the first film (and one of those themes was itself rearranged from Rota's score for "Fortunella"), but Rota and Coppola composed a great deal of original music for the film too, including Rota's haunting "Immigrant" theme. In addition, the score fits the film like a glove, and seeped into popular culture. And Rota was a veteran composer who scored over 150 films in his career, and whose work was often groundbreaking. So I don't think most fans were terribly upset by his win, even if it technically violated some rules (just as I think few of us will be upset if Morricone wins this year for "The Hateful Eight," despite existing music being tracked into the film).
Jerry Goldsmith was objectively more responsible for his film's success than the director, the screenwriter, the actors, and the cinematographer, among others. And his score is the archetype for a whole genre so there is definite merit to the claim that he was snubbed that year.
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