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 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

With the recent trend of orchestras playing Live music to the accompaniment of the projected film against a raw soundtrack of dialogue and sound effects to a live audience, How if studios could sanction a fresh new re-recording synced to the film and presented on Video format (as an exclusive track) or the Cinema itself amount to something good?

For one thing, given the limitation of the sound quality of most classic films in compared to the spatial and complex soundtracks of today (where we can see both sound effects dialogue and music fighting for their supremacy) the impact could be more engaging.

The only one great example is the Special Edition of Spielberg's E.T THE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL which I think was probably the first commercial experiment where the Williams himself conducted the whole film live to the movie and audience. This was fortunately captured incredibly by Shawn Murphy for the eventual DVD release featuring a separate audio channel showcasing the movie with dialogue, effects, music and the audience.

So lets say a fresh new re-recording of the (same) score is synced to their respective films such as VERTIGO, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, NORTH BY NORTHWEST, BEN HUR, EL CID, THE ROBE etc would make for a fresh and invigorating experience for a a totally audiophile audience or even supported by DTS HD upgraded freshly produced sound effects; thereby bring the audience experience to today's modern day aesthetics.

A re-issue on blu ray could easily support an upgraded soundtrack, an isolated score track in addition to the original films actual dated soundtrack.

I think something like this has already been done once on restoration of the 1931 classic Dracula featuring Philips Glass and the Kronos Quartet.

For one thing such an undertaking could be undertaken for a major classic film. It probably be an expensive venture but doable.

Your thoughts people?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

I don't understand the point. They sort of tried it with Fantasia and soon went back to the original. If it already works, why bother?

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I've thought about this in regards to films from the '30s which offer only mono, often tinny or compressed soundtracks and yet have great, classic scores that you'd love to hear in stereo as you watch the movie. I think about this mostly when watching KING KONG and BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. I believe it could be done, with careful matching to the character of the original recording of the score, and I believe the music in a mono soundtrack can be "muffled" or dialogue and sound effects can be digitally lifted from it, but I'm not sure. I very much doubt anyone would want to spend the money even experimenting, so this will remain a pipe dream.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I don't understand the point. They sort of tried it with Fantasia and soon went back to the original. If it already works, why bother?

"Fantasia" did not have an "original" score by someone named Goldsmith or Williams or Herrmann or Rozsa or Newman, et.al.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Philip Glass wrote and recorded a new score for DRACULA, which is available on CD. Not being a particular fan of Mr. Glass's music, I passed on it. Apparently, there were also showings with the Glass score played by a live orchestra, though I do wonder how they maneuvered around the archival sound of the dialogue.

Also, let us remember the well-known score by Carmine Coppola, which he conducted at select screenings, for the restored silent film NAPOLEON.

Many new scores have been recorded for silent films, which did not often have original scores, but adapted music from Classical composers.

And, it appears that, when certain of the Samuel Goldwyn films were released on laser disk, some of their scores were re-recorded, such as THE HURRICANE, STELLA DALLAS, and DODSWORTH, with the re-recordings isolated on the disks. (These were all by Alfred Newman, as well as several others, though I am uncertain which were re-recorded. One authority here claims this to be true for THE HURRICANE at least.)

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I don't understand the point. They sort of tried it with Fantasia and soon went back to the original. If it already works, why bother?

Its a novelty. Why go see a movie score conducted to a live projection. Its the same thing only here Im saying that the score be recorded as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


"Fantasia" did not have an "original" score by someone named Goldsmith or Williams or Herrmann or Rozsa or Newman, et.al.


I don't see how this is relevant to the original question. The point is they attempted a higher-fi recording of a score and eventually, they reverted back to the original recording.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)


"Fantasia" did not have an "original" score by someone named Goldsmith or Williams or Herrmann or Rozsa or Newman, et.al.


I don't see how this is relevant to the original question. The point is they attempted a higher-fi recording of a score and eventually, they reverted back to the original recording.


Was this hi fi version available on dvd and did it carry both versions of the tracks?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


"Fantasia" did not have an "original" score by someone named Goldsmith or Williams or Herrmann or Rozsa or Newman, et.al.


I don't see how this is relevant to the original question. The point is they attempted a higher-fi recording of a score and eventually, they reverted back to the original recording.


Was this hi fi version available on dvd and did it carry both versions of the tracks?


No idea. The film was reissued in the early 80s, I believe, with the digitally recorded newer soundtrack. This version of the film must have made it onto some kind of consumer grade video medium. I know there was an LP.

The new soundtrack was panned and it didn't stick around very long. More recent releases of the film have the original, which, incidentally, was one of the earliest stereo recordings.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2015 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)


"Fantasia" did not have an "original" score by someone named Goldsmith or Williams or Herrmann or Rozsa or Newman, et.al.


I don't see how this is relevant to the original question. The point is they attempted a higher-fi recording of a score and eventually, they reverted back to the original recording.


Was this hi fi version available on dvd and did it carry both versions of the tracks?


As far as I know, the 1982 Irwin Kostal recording and the corresponding narration by Hugh Douglas has never appeared on any home video releases of Fantasia, which usually have some remix of the original Fantasound mix (though the 90's release attempted to replicate the original Fantasound). As a matter of fact, the Irwin Kostal recording had been out of print for quite a few years until the Legacy Collection release from earlier this year included it.

 
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