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Apr 30, 2015 - 2:43 AM
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Mike West
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Well, in that particular segment of The Vault, the music is a non-action suspenseful bit, quite like Silvestri's material for the cosmic cube in his two Marvel movies. It really feels like something directly linked to his scores.
II see, wanted to mention that the action music sounds like Silvestri's from the first film as well,
those rolling-upward-figures, growing louder and suddenly cut-off, sometimes then a softer pulse continues.
Stuff like that among other aspects. It feels like Silvestri's music was the temp, same tempi, same meters, etc.
Also the execution of the two- and three-part writing in that fanfaric motifs in the brass, which harkens
back to original brass instruments using partials only in a way, a trademark of all of Silvestri's scores,
is in some of Tyler's action music, and also in the very first statements of Elfman's theme in Heroes, when
the counterpoint comes in joining the theme.
The Vault, I agree, that Cube/Loki-music could have been the temp. Similar chord progressions,
also that low line with that dissonance which is dissolved step-wise down (a melodic cell which is sequenced in Silvestri's Cube music, which is BTW also one of the oldest harmonic-melodic-progression-pattern in general).
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May 11, 2015 - 7:25 AM
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Mike West
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can anybody tell me how I can upload a pdf here in a post?
I watched the movie again, and I did find a nice lyrical variant of the Avengers theme which appears twice on a single instrument playing the melody alone, and I did also find that theme by Tyler and wrote sheets of them and would like put that in a post here.
There are a lot of themes actually, but the overfull movie could not give enough time and breath for everything to be be heard enough times and be associated with the characters.
Here is a thematic break-down of a few tracks (I just started somewhere), I tried to seek-out everything which is there, but probably I missed some things, so go ahead to correct or add if you heard more than that. Some of the observation I am not sure about, when there is only a very short row of same notes of a theme.
(minor spoilers in the descriptions)
THE MISSION:
nonrecurring theme with simple phrases, don't know if it could be deducted from another theme, scale notes:
1 - 2 - 3_____ 1 - 2 - 1_____
1 - 2 - 5_____ 1 - 2 - 3 - 2
1 - 2 - 2 - 3 1 - 2- 2- 1
(it is similar Tyler "Vision"-theme beginning, which is right there when Vision awakes:
1 - 2 - 2___ 3)
at 1:13 this is morphed into the new Tyler theme for the team
(it is clearly associated with the team, because it appears firstly when they argue at Stark Tower and Cap says, when they fall they fall together, and then it appears when they leave from africa and are together in the Quinjet and Stark says they got beaten up.)
at 1:50 there is some hints to the Ultron theme in the noddling figures
2:20 Hulk/Black Widow - theme
UPRISING
at 0:14 a small snippet of Tyler's theme for the team followed at
0:22 by an ostinato-pattern which uses the first three notes Ultron's theme
at 0:38 there is a ostinato-figure Silvestri used a lot of times in Captain America and Avengers,
four rising notes
0:55 chord progressions which Silvestri often used in Avengers, compare "Performance Issues"
also at about 0:55
at 1:30 Ultron's theme
followed by some Cimbalon-colours for the eastern europe location
2:00 Hulk/Black-Widow theme
2:14 is tracked from AVENGERS
THE BATTLE
0:10 that four note rising figure again Silvestri also used as a pattern often
at 0:20 this rising melody could be something written for Vision in action, since it is very similar to the glorious statement when Vision uses Thor's hammer
at 1:36 could be a variant of Visions theme
at 2:00 this could be a snippet of Iron Man's theme, but could be a coincidence
at 2:12 this is the same segue as in "The Avengers" by Silvestri at 0:58
followed by the thythmic pattern with repeated string notes for S.H.I.E.L.D Silvestri used at the very beginning of "The Avengers"
2:44 Thor's accompaniment music but without the melody
at 4:00 the music is based on the pattern Tyler used in his track "Thor: The Dark World",
the ending of each bar goes up here, in the original it goes down.
INEVITABILITY-ONE GOOD EYE
0:07 Elfman's New Avengers theme
0:50 could be a fragment of the theme for Scarlet Witch
1.05 fragments of Elfman's new Avengers theme and (probably) the theme for Scarlet Witch
1:40 a short fragment of Elfman's new Avengers theme followed by the theme for Scarlet Witch, closed by a snippet
from Elfman's new Avengers theme
2:10 Silvestri's Avengers theme, using the in Silvestri's theme later appearing
phrase which goes up ( 1 - 1_______5- 6 instead of the first phrase, which goes down 1- 1______5 -4 ) first
2:20 chords which are also used by Silvestri in his theme (compare Silvestri's "The Avengers" at 1:30
2:34 Iron Man theme by Tyler
2:57 snippet of Elfman's theme for the new Avengers
3:17 first three notes of Iron Man's theme (maybe a coincidence - it happens that Tyler's first three notes are the same Silvestri used as a fast motif for Iron Man in his Avengers score: 1 - 2- 3 - probably coincidence)
3:28 snippet from Elfman's new Avengers theme
the very strong and bold brass chords in there, I don't know if they are thematic, don't remember if they are in the movie, does anybody know?
3:50ff the horn writing is very reminiscent of Silvestri's action writing
4:00 Elfman's new Avenger's theme and the rising Sivestri Avengers phrase mixed together, at
4:17 there is a phrase which has the same contour than Iron Man's theme blended in in the trumpets, all closed
at 4:24 by a longer quote of Silvestri's theme which brings the falling figure a bit earlier than Silvestri usually did (1 1___5_4__ 3 2 1)
4:36 Ultron's theme again used as an ostinato. Elfman adds a second part to it in parallel movement
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