Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

Beethoven nuts are surprisingly pretty chill.

Yavar


Well, but who says Beethoven nuts can't be a little ... well ...nuts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9SZVOzNcAc

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 12:16 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

"The fact that a topic like this even exists is a sign that there is not much to talk about real film music around here nowadays..."
----------------------
As a lot of people's contributions around here amount to "ORDERED" I don't know quite what to say.
It seems to me a lot of people STOPPED DISCUSSING the music a long time ago, outside of a few stalwarts.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 1:34 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

THE MAGIC FLUTE is among my all time favorites, I have loved this opera ever since I was a (rather young) child and my parents took me to a performance. In fact, it has only grown on me over the years. :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Beethoven nuts are surprisingly pretty chill.

Yavar


That's because, for those who get emotionally invested in his music (i.e. fans), Beethoven makes it feel like you've been through a hard-won and bloody battle by the time the piece is over. We're too damn exhausted to fight anyone.



My favourite composers take you on a journey, after which you're somewhere other than where you started. Chronologically Beethoven is the earliest to do that for me. Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Sibelius, Nielsen are variously later exponents of that.

I don't see the point by and large in music that gets you to do a little dance and then sits you back down right where you were before. Like 99% of pop music and most actual classical music of my acquaintance. No matter how pretty it is.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

My favourite composers take you on a journey, after which you're somewhere other than where you started.

Well said, TG. When it happens, there is nothing like it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

"The fact that a topic like this even exists is a sign that there is not much to talk about real film music around here nowadays..."
----------------------
As a lot of people's contributions around here amount to "ORDERED" I don't know quite what to say.
It seems to me a lot of people STOPPED DISCUSSING the music a long time ago, outside of a few stalwarts.


Agree and worth remembering. It's not just collecting but enjoying

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


It's not "da bait" but "da fish" that takes "da bait" and swallows it hook, line and sinker.

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 3:01 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

To the original question: I'm beginning to think so.

I also love Jerry Goldsmith but as I posted on the Dennis The Menace thread, there seems to be this neediness on the part of *SOME* fans (a minority, I hasten to add) to see everyone stand up and cheer everything he ever did. If someone doesn't, they consternate and create worried threads to overturn this wrongness in the world.

That neediness is creepy. And, yes, it is absolutely insecurity.

Like I said in that other place: happiness (and security) is not needing anyone to validate your love of something.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

To the original question: I'm beginning to think so.

I also love Jerry Goldsmith but as I posted on the Dennis The Menace thread, there seems to be this neediness on the part of *SOME* fans (a minority, I hasten to add) to see everyone stand up and cheer everything he ever did. If someone doesn't, they consternate and create worried threads to overturn this wrongness in the world.

That neediness is creepy. And, yes, it is absolutely insecurity.

Like I said in that other place: happiness (and security) is not needing anyone to validate your love of something.

Cheers


Well said, Stephen. And my thoughts exactly (also speaking as a Goldsmith fan).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2014 - 1:10 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I also think -- as an observation here -- that the comments riling over how 'pointless' or 'trolling' this thread is (when it is anything but) are a symptom of the very thing it's trying to investigate. Interesting.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

If they're insecure, it's only about the films he got to score, not his music.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 1:23 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

To the original question: I'm beginning to think so.

I also love Jerry Goldsmith but as I posted on the Dennis The Menace thread, there seems to be this neediness on the part of *SOME* fans (a minority, I hasten to add) to see everyone stand up and cheer everything he ever did. If someone doesn't, they consternate and create worried threads to overturn this wrongness in the world.

That neediness is creepy.



We could rename Goldsmith Godsmith and start up a crusade to convert the world. Love Godsmith, or be beheaded. (That'll teach 'em.)

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

Thor wrote:

I also think -- as an observation here -- that the comments riling over how 'pointless' or 'trolling' this thread is (when it is anything but) are a symptom of the very thing it's trying to investigate. Interesting.

In my case, at least, you are mistaken.

While I'm an enthusiastic admirer of Goldsmith's music, he is not my alpha and omega. My favourite composer, as those who've been paying attention should know by now, is actually John Barry, and I'm happy to discuss his real limitations.


When I wrote:

If the OP is seriously raising a question, then, given there's no way to objectively answer it, it's a waste of time.

If, on the other hand, the OP is simply presenting, in the guise of a question, an attack on Goldsmith's fans, then it's trolling, and is similarly a waste of time.


I did so because this is where logic took me.

It is not possible to measure the degree to which Goldsmith fans are "insecure" (because you can't measure insecurity, and you haven't identified the people you refer to) and therefore there can be no verifiable answer. If the question admits of no reliable answer, it's surely pointless.

If the object is to criticise Goldsmith's fans (a supposition that seems borne out by no small number of the replies to this thread) then what else is it but trolling?


I'm not being sensitive over Goldsmith; I have no emotional attachment to him or his reputation. I DO object, on the other hand, to some of the rubbish on this forum that purports to be "discussion".

If you'd care to dispute my logic, I'll be happy to discuss it with you. Until then, please refrain from ascribing motives to me which are not mine.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 2:12 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It is not possible to measure the degree to which Goldsmith fans are "insecure" (because you can't measure insecurity, and you haven't identified the people you refer to) and therefore there can be no verifiable answer. If the question admits of no reliable answer, it's surely pointless.

Actually, I think the empirical evidence is in the actual posts and the manner in which dissent has been expressed in this forum and in the relevant threads over the years. The leap to 'insecurity' as a psychological diagnosis is obviously speculation on part of the topic starter and those of us who agree, but there is definitely a certain pattern of behaviour to decipher.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

It is not possible to measure the degree to which Goldsmith fans are "insecure" (because you can't measure insecurity, and you haven't identified the people you refer to) and therefore there can be no verifiable answer. If the question admits of no reliable answer, it's surely pointless.



David

If you're very lucky, you've missed the scientific theories put forward on and around this board claiming to have objectively measured, appraised and concluded beyond all doubt that Jerry Goldsmith was/is/always will be the best film composer. The only doubt allowed is whether he's also the greatest composer of music full stop.

I have no doubt that such theories would be treated with disbelief by the man himself.

And that's where the dissent comes in, because I infer silence to equate to acquiescense when presented with this nonsense. If one's opinion is that he - or anyone else - is the greatest composer ever (and we all think that someone is), that's fine and up for debate, which can not only be enjoyable but is also the main point of this message board, as I understood it. Brooking no gainsaying is asking for trouble!

TG

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

If they're insecure, it's only about the films he got to score, not his music.

That's a good point. It's arguable that Jerry was the best composer for terrible films. Case in point is DAMNATION ALLEY. A complete presentation of the score with the missing synth elements is probably the holiest Goldsmith grail at this time. And the film was a real stinker.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

If they're insecure, it's only about the films he got to score, not his music.

That's a good point. It's arguable that Jerry was the best composer for terrible films. Case in point is DAMNATION ALLEY. A complete presentation of the score with the missing synth elements is probably the holiest Goldsmith grail at this time. And the film was a real stinker.


That's certainly true about DAMNATION ALLEY, but Goldsmith scored a lot of movies, a lot more than Bernard Herrmann or John Williams. Highly prolific composers, such as Morricone, Steiner, Goldsmith, etc. usually score more potboilers than those who are more selective about their projects.

He also scored CHINATOWN, a bona fide motion picture classic if there ever was one. :-)

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2014 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.