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 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

..of Film Music Fans?

I don't recall fans of any of the other Titans (Williams, Morricone, Barry, Bernstein, Jarre, Steiner, Korngold, Herrmann..add your choice) posting so many threads, trying to posit their fave film composer as the BEST, most VERSATILE, most UNDERRATED, coolest PONYTAIL (that's a joke, there's no such thing), GORGEOUS LOOKING...you name it, it would seem Goldsmith is it.

Thoughts?

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

This board has always appeared Goldsmith centric to me, Kev.

"goldsmith-rulez", remember...wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I must add I have no axe to grind with Goldsmith or his fans (I am one myself).
Goldsmith has generally been in my personal Top 5 since I discovered his music via the STAR TREK - TMP film and LP.
I own tons of his stuff and most of it is quite brilliant.
I just don't get the constant 'he's the best', all else were inferior' attitude that seems to exist a lot around here.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

As the person who started the "most versatile" thread, I can say that I own only about 20 Goldsmith titles- most on vinyl and picked up only for a buck or two - and that Goldsmith does not rank among my favorite composers. My first post started with this admission.

My question was based on empirical observations about a lack of an obvious signature style and an ability to hide his identity as he switches genres.

So, while it may be hard for you to understand, it is possible to start threads on composers who are not your favorites.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

No onya, I do understand what you were getting at, although having heard over ONE HUNDRED and twenty five of his scores, there are tons of Goldsmith-isms and traits that he carried over into his works, that are no different from the many other composers I have listened to over the years.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

No onya, I do understand what you were getting at, although having heard over ONE HUNDRED and twenty five of his scores, there are tons of Goldsmith-isms and traits that he carried over into his works, that are no different from the many other composers I have listened to over the years.

Word!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

No onya, I do understand what you were getting at, although having heard over ONE HUNDRED and twenty five of his scores, there are tons of Goldsmith-isms and traits that he carried over into his works, that are no different from the many other composers I have listened to over the years.

There may be. Perhaps my statistic sample is not large enough to make this observation. The scores I have are virtually all from the 60s and 70s. I think I have one from the early 80s - Outland - and only one from the dreaded ponytail years, LA Confidential. (I have to question the artistic sensibilities of anyone who makes such a bad fashion choice.)

Sure, I can tell that the guy who wrote "City of Fear" wrote the Twilight Zone jazz scores, and I can tell that the guy who wrote "Shock Treatment" wrote "Seconds." But I cannot tell that the guy who wrote "Chinatown" wrote "Planet of the Apes" wrote "In Like Flint."

Herrmann and Morricone, on the other hand, are easily recognizable no matter what styles or genres they shoot for.

Now look what you've done. You've started another Goldsmith thread! wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

I don't know what you guys are talking about. High King Jerry Goldsmith is quite obviously the Most Everything composer in every category and will continue to gloriously reign even after we inevitably evolve into Metron-like uber-beings on a higher dimension where echoplex trumpets and mixing bowls will become the very fabric of our existence.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Onya, you should give a listen to IMAGES, MISSOURI BREAKS and 1941.
Much like the Goldsmith titles you mention, you would be amazed they were all written by the same guy!

Also, give a listen to BRAVEHEART, BICENTENNIAL MAN and TITANIC...no... wait wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I don't know what you guys are talking about. High King Jerry Goldsmith is quite obviously the Most Everything composer in every category and will continue to gloriously reign even after we inevitably evolve into Metron-like uber-beings on a higher dimension where echoplex trumpets and mixing bowls will become the very fabric of our existence.

Sounds reasonable.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   hurlburt.lazar   (Member)

Goldsmith has his fans, his "Fan-Boys/Girls" and his Acolytes (I'm a big fan - he's No. 2 on my list); all post here, with perspective diminishing up the line & "insecurity" increasingwink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

There may be lots of Goldsmith threads... the discussion in them usually balances out between pro and con. But is a thread like this really constructive?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't know. But I LOVE sociological topics like this -- going to the core of who we are and what we do! META-TOPICS FOR THE WIN!

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

There may be lots of Goldsmith threads... the discussion in them usually balances out between pro and con. But is a thread like this really constructive?


Considering that any discussion on the topic in the 'versatile'-thread was quickly buried... I hope it is.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

By Goldsmith fans, you mean Trekkies?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

I don't know. But I LOVE sociological topics like this -- going to the core of who we are and what we do! META-TOPICS FOR THE WIN!

Then I think this goes to the core of fanaticism no matter who the object... not just Goldsmith.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I've never been a fanatic with any one composer ( or one actor, writer, director, etc.) Any particular talent can do their share of exceptional work, and stinkers. I judge each project or performance on it's own.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

It may be that I've just met more Goldsmith fans that fans of other composers (mainly during my time serving on the Goldsmith Society committee) but I have to agree there is a very high level of unnecessary insecurity.

I remember one particular fan I met who just totally berated me for daring to mention that I found Goldsmith as a person a bit grumpy and intolerant of film music buffs. The conversation became even more ludicrous when I transpired that, unlike me, this guy had never met Goldsmith.

That said, I've had a few run-ins with John Barry fans who have basically said that I know nothing about movie music because I don't like Barry's work. And they were being serious!

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Do you think this copy of Love Field makes me look fat?

 
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