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 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

A friend of John Bender's (forgive me, I forgot who) actually SAW the following in a pile of tapes to be dumped:

"MISTER MOSES"
"WALKABOUT"
"THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY"

Of course there is still a possibility of other copies, but master elements of these were definitely dumped.

Cheers


Well, I can't speak for the first two, but if the moderator will allow me a little leniency, two or so years ago an unmentionable of the Morricone score showed up, as a 4CD set, with all the score, alternate tracks, cues not used. Seems he recorded a good deal. And that tapes are somewhere.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA and Moonraker is also supposed to be MIA.

When Perseverance rereleased Red Sonja it was also mentioned that the original tapes are MIA. There were also mentions that Alien 3 is supposedly MIA.

We also know that Fright Night and Friday the 13th 1-5 were MIA and their releases used film stems (with better results in the Friday the 13th case, as the scores seemed to have been less altered during dubbing stage. Other known cases are the Satan Bug action tracks and the electronics of Damnation Alley. There's some controversy in the case of The Dark Crystal.

In some cases scores supposedly MIA were found out (Conan, King Kong 76).

So could a list of "confirmed MIA scores" be prepared? What is rumor and what's really confirmed?

Of course in these cases the best hope is for rerecordings (i'd love complete rerecordings of Dracula, Red Sonja, Moonraker and Satan Bug)



What's your definition of 'confirmed'?

Take "MOONRAKER". Can we say that these recordings are definitely lost? No. There's lots of apocrypha but no confirmation.

And since when was "KING KONG" (76) lost and then found? Where does that come from?

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



as much as i like rerecordings, nothing can compete the original, and if its lost, its a "lost artwork" for all time, think of it as a "Mona Lisa", you did not want to paint it new wink


Plenty of scores were poorly and hurriedly recorded, included flubbed notes, included bar or tempo adjustments to accommodate last-minute edits, were improperly stored, etc. So I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "nothing can compete with the original."

If a score contains, say, jazz elements or other elements reflecting oral/aural traditions, too much can go wrong, and I would rather hear the original in almost every instance.

But if it's straight orchestral music, I would much prefer that the written score is preserved over the original recording. Just the opinion of this marsupial.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

I remember reading some years ago that the tapes for Jerry Goldsmith's Seamus(1973) had gone "missing" I don't know if this is still the case?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2014 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

All the early Hammer Films. The only reason the '59 "Mummy" survived was because a copy was made for use in "Curse of the Mummy's Tomb" in '64.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2014 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

How could this thread get this far along and no one has mentioned RAISE THE TITANIC, the Grand Poobah of all lost scores? (I may be satisfied with the re-recording, but not everyone is.)

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2014 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I remember reading some years ago that the tapes for Jerry Goldsmith's Seamus(1973) had gone "missing" I don't know if this is still the case?

As you are from Ireland, it's an easy mistake, but you mean "Shamus," American slang for a private eye, not Seamus, the Irish male name.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2014 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

How could this thread get this far along and no one has mentioned RAISE THE TITANIC, the Grand Poobah of all lost scores? (I may be satisfied with the re-recording, but not everyone is.)

Because many of us could care less.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Well most of them are MIA. If only the other big studios were as good as Fox & MGM for keeping their music tapes. Warner didn't keep any of their stereo music tapes for the 50's & early 60's. And Columbia: all those 60's scores gone, & a lot missing from United Artist, like Kings Of The Sun & Taras Bulba. Paramount seem to have a few years in the 60's where there's no music tapes. I think we'll still get some nice surprises, some scores survived somehow, like: One-Eyed Jacks, 55 Days At Peking & Cromwell.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

How could this thread get this far along and no one has mentioned RAISE THE TITANIC, the Grand Poobah of all lost scores? (I may be satisfied with the re-recording, but not everyone is.)

Because many of us could care less.


And some couldn't....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   theMaestraX   (Member)

QUO VADIS - I cannot believe this is lost!
A nice re-recording release from Tadlow but then it reminds of the same for
'The Fall Of The Roman Empire' when suddenly LALA found & bought out this definitive
release from Rosza!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

QUO VADIS - I cannot believe this is lost!
A nice re-recording release from Tadlow but then it reminds of the same for
'The Fall Of The Roman Empire' when suddenly LALA found & bought out this definitive
release from Rosza!


Well the La-La CD was only the album plus a few extra cues in mono. I'm not knocking La-La, that's all there is. Now 55 Days At Peking, that's the real thing.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

LLL's Fall of the Roman Empire is certainly the most beautiful LOOKING release of that score, with props to the amazing Jim Titus. I cherish that release because of that, as well as the fine liner notes and improved sound quality on what was available of the original recording.

But the FotRE recording I'll usually pick to actually LISTEN to is the superb Tadlow/Prometheus complete re-recording. It's amazing.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

Is there any word on the original tapes of Bernard Herrmann's PSYCHO?

Don't know if there's been any info on this one in the last few years.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Regarding Moonraker :

it is not lost.

Where are you? Why do you hide?
Where is that moonlight trail that leads to your side?

Where are you? When will we meet?
Take my unfinished life and make it complete.



big grin big grin big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Then there's Goldsmith's tapes for "Q.B.VII" and the episode scores for "The Waltons". Oh well, at least we have the Tadlow rerecording for the former.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Metaluna Mutant   (Member)

Good thread, lots of interesting info.

My heart dropped when I saw Mark of Zorro on that list, one of my grail scores. But so many of the golden age classics are missing also. Pity.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2014 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

I remember reading some years ago that the tapes for Jerry Goldsmith's Seamus(1973) had gone "missing" I don't know if this is still the case?

As you are from Ireland, it's an easy mistake, but you mean "Shamus," American slang for a private eye, not Seamus, the Irish male name.


Ha ha, yes bless you SchiffyM. I actually did notice my error at the time of posting and I corrected myself, I thought, but I was too late and the post went through unchanged.

 
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