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 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

"Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA"

According to WHOM EXACTLY?

What is the exact source for this yes "Confirmation?"

Ford A. Thaxton


Way to hold their feet to the fire, Ford. I'm convinced this one is stored inside a layer of Transylvanian soil in box in the basement of Anvil Studios.


It may well be, but I have yet to hear from any credible source on this matter as to the fact that the masters can't be found at Universal.

Unless someone can come up with sort of OFFICIAL statement before I write it off.

UNIVERSAL has found some things from over 60 years ago that I never thought would see the light of day.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA

According to WHOM EXACTLY?

What is the exact source for this yes "Confirmation?"

Ford A. Thaxton



http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96480&forumID=1&archive=0

from LLL's facebook:

DRACULA is MIA and has been for quite some time. IF a label is working on it, all that has survived is so-so mono elements as far as I know.



To be honest I have my doubts.

Sometimes you have to ask the RIGHT QUESTION to find something.

The Movie is in STEREO, so the music tracks exist at least on MAG someplace, so hope isn't lost yet.

If all else fails, the written scores are someplace, so it a new recording would be very possible.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

THE HAUNTING Humphrey Searle

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)



from LLL's facebook:

DRACULA is MIA and has been for quite some time. IF a label is working on it, all that has survived is so-so mono elements as far as I know.


To be honest I have my doubts.

Sometimes you have to ask the RIGHT QUESTION to find something.

The Movie is in STEREO, so the music tracks exist at least on MAG someplace, so hope isn't lost yet.

If all else fails, the written scores are someplace, so it a new recording would be very possible.

Ford A. Thaxton


Of course there's always hope that something reported to be missing is found in the future, unless it is confirmed that the tapes were destroyed/erased. But in the case of Dracula I considered it 'confirmed' based on the above quoted MV comments.

I like rerecordings and I think they're the best hope for some of those missing scores and older scores where the quality of the original recording deteriorated.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

Bernard Herrmann's complete OBSESSION seems to be MIA. Also ENDLESS NIGHT and COMPANIONS IN NIGHTMARE.

Baxter's PIT AND THE PENDULUM seems to only exist in a music-and-effects format.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I try to keep some kind of working list, but I donj't maintian it often:
http://rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/lost.html

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2014 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Remembered another one, Dead Calm (Revell)

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   David Kessler   (Member)

Mad Max 2 The Road Warrior

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The examples thus far seem to be about recorded scores mores than written ones. When the latter are missing, I consider that to be a greater loss.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2014 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

In Harm's Way

Doug said in the info text of the Intrada Album that the original score is long lost.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2014 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

RYAN'S DAUGHTER original tapes went to vinegar according to Lukas some time ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2014 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

The examples thus far seem to be about recorded scores mores than written ones. When the latter are missing, I consider that to be a greater loss.

I disagree, often a new recording can fail to capture the spirit and feel of that period, and it is often far too costly to re-record these scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The examples thus far seem to be about recorded scores mores than written ones. When the latter are missing, I consider that to be a greater loss.

I disagree, often a new recording can fail to capture the spirit and feel of that period, and it is often far too costly to re-record these scores.


Well, if we're talking scores that feature jazz/pop/ethnic elements, then yes, I would agree with you.

If we're talking about straight orchestral scores, fresh recordings can potentially surpass the originals.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Its confirmed that Williams' Dracula is MIA

According to WHOM EXACTLY?

What is the exact source for this yes "Confirmation?"

Ford A. Thaxton



http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96480&forumID=1&archive=0

from LLL's facebook:

DRACULA is MIA and has been for quite some time. IF a label is working on it, all that has survived is so-so mono elements as far as I know.



To be honest I have my doubts.

Sometimes you have to ask the RIGHT QUESTION to find something.

The Movie is in STEREO, so the music tracks exist at least on MAG someplace, so hope isn't lost yet.

If all else fails, the written scores are someplace, so it a new recording would be very possible.

Ford A. Thaxton


Could the movieĀ“s upcoming blu-ray release mean that they have a cleaned up score track available?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

If we're talking about straight orchestral scores, fresh recordings can potentially surpass the originals.

in the beginning of my "soundtrack career " i thought the same - better get a new digital recording but that changed over the years

there are only a few rerecordings that stands the original soundtrack.

even rerecordings by the composers had problems ( the goldsmith/varese recordings)

some composers are very difficult to get right (Tiomkin/Herrmann are very hard to reproduce, eg rerecordings ot 55 days main theme, they don't get it, the kind of frenetic and chaotic music finding its way to a wonderful combination of both themes)
or the"Korngold" sound- times , orchestras and taste changes over the years, its hard to get the right "schmalz" today)

as much as i like rerecordings, nothing can compete the original, and if its lost, its a "lost artwork" for all time,
think of it as a "Mona Lisa", you did not want to paint it new wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

A friend of John Bender's (forgive me, I forgot who) actually SAW the following in a pile of tapes to be dumped:

"MISTER MOSES"
"WALKABOUT"
"THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY"

Of course there is still a possibility of other copies, but master elements of these were definitely dumped.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

Only guessing (since they have never appeared):
Ernst Toch PETER IBBETSON
Herbert Stothart THE HUMAN COMEDY
Alex North STAGE STRUCK, WILLARD, and THE WORD
Franz Waxman, et.al. HOME BEFORE DARK
Jerry Goldsmith THE TROUBLE WITH ANGELS
Alfred Newman FIRECREEK
Elmer Bernstein THE INCREDIBLE SARAH, CAPTAINS AND THE KINGS and LITTLE WOMEN
Fred Karlin DEATH, BE NOT PROUD

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

We have discussed this topic dozens of times over the years and I am sure thousand's of people would ask WHY? WHY would someone in charge at a company have such creative material thrown into a trash bin into oblivion. Well the first thought, SPACE, which of course comes down to MONEY. Having to pay for the space one puts stuff into storage. But didn't they know this material would be stuff that should be preserve for the future? Apparently not, They obviously were not thinking of possible profits with the music. They surely were not thinking of nostalgic reasons to save it as well. The reason I always thought it was a bit unusual for such actions is because most people by nature are sought of hoarders, Some more then others. Just going to house sales and attic sales, basement sales, garage sales and flea markets over the decades proves that point. People will keep everything but the kitchen sink or so it seems. Too bad for collectors of soundtracks the same mentality was not done at the studio's.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Just found my baby bib I used decades ago in my garage. Point made.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2014 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Could Friedhofer's "The Secret Invasion" be missing? It was said to have been recorded in Germany by the Graunke Symphony Orchestra Of Munich. Yet, who knows?

 
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