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 Posted:   Jun 3, 2014 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

According to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27677801

The interesting aspect here is the titanic struggle that exists in viewpoint between the formal authorities and the liberal-minded across the divide. Is Snowden an individual of gross criminal intent or altruistic free information guru?

There can't be room for many laughs on this one, especially as the Julian Assange flick seems to have caused massive confusion about whether it should be seen or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2014 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

When this guy is interviewed he seems smarmy and wormy, but Stone probably loves him to pieces.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2014 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

According to the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27677801

The interesting aspect here is the titanic struggle that exists in viewpoint between the formal authorities and the liberal-minded across the divide. Is Snowden an individual of gross criminal intent or altruistic free information guru?


I don't see Snowden as a criminal (that would be the NSA, already guilty of spying on my country as well as practically the whole world) nor as a altruistic free information guru, the latter is more a label I'd put on Assange. Snowden doesn't stand for free information, he stands for exposing unlawful government spying and the sanctity of privacy.

I saw the news about Oliver Stone doing the movie, and on the one hand I think he is a perfect director to make a movie about this subject matter and certainly intelligent enough to pull it off. On the other hand, he has his detractors and every movie he puts out feels a bit like preaching to the choir; still, I'm sure it will be a riveting film and I'm curious as to who will score the movie (sadly little discussion of it will occur here as these threads will get shut down inevitably).

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2014 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The story seems to have some crossover with Spielberg's The Terminal. The idea of the stateless person. I wonder how much of the story that part would be invested with? Because that is one of the aspects of Snowden's story I remember the most - not even being able to fall in one way or the other.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2014 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Sounds good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brm

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2014 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Soon there will be no more secrets about anything. There is none anymore in my world.Will in the end that bring forth a better world? Maybe yes, maybe no?I have not spent enough time to think about it to make a decision. We shall all find out sooner or later.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The best story is that he did a 'good deed' but underneath it all, he is just an anti-social nerd that craved celebrity and attention and chicks. That would be typical Stone style, if Snowden thinks he is going to be made into a hero figure, he is in for a rude awakening.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

So, this will be fiction, then.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

The best story is that he did a 'good deed' but underneath it all, he is just an anti-social nerd that craved celebrity and attention and chicks. That would be typical Stone style, if Snowden thinks he is going to be made into a hero figure, he is in for a rude awakening.

I doubt Snowden will have any involvement. Julian Assange also wanted nothing to do with Fifth Estate (perhaps because he was portrayed as an anti-social nerd that craved celebrity and attention and chicks) Still a great film though!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

So, this will be fiction, then.

you would say that based on what exactly? You surely are not naive enough to believe Snowden did this for the "good the world" without any personal dark motives?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The best story is that he did a 'good deed' but underneath it all, he is just an anti-social nerd that craved celebrity and attention and chicks. That would be typical Stone style, if Snowden thinks he is going to be made into a hero figure, he is in for a rude awakening.

I doubt Snowden will have any involvement. Julian Assange also wanted nothing to do with Fifth Estate (perhaps because he was portrayed as an anti-social nerd that craved celebrity and attention and chicks) Still a great film though!


Yeah, its surely a pattern that the computer geek leak guys never look like Brad Pitt or George Clooney.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

So, this will be fiction, then.

you would say that based on what exactly?


On Stone's previous films.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

So, this will be fiction, then.

you would say that based on what exactly?


On Stone's previous films.


Oh, yeah I with you now. I actually liked Wall Street 2, except that was before Shia turned into a total annoyance. I could not watch it nowadays -although Michael Douglas is really terrific, and I think he is a great actor.

Other than that, I think Stone is pretty over-rated, and totally a sensationalist. For some reason studios seem to keep giving him money, even after huge bombs like Alexander.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

He's not without his merits as a film maker.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I think all the "national security"-types who think Snowden is a traitor need a big fat middle finger in the face.

And who better to deliver it than Oliver Stone?

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The usual methodology is to briefly state, "based on a true story." So the best at which any film can hope to aspire will be as deep drama. The primary interest for me is how someone of such a relatively young age jumped so completely into the deep-end with total conviction. There was so much to-ing and fro-ing in the real-life case developments I thought at one point Snowden might be forced back to the USA. In the end he followed a path of sheer classic literary conclusion.

By the way, if you watch Alexander, be sure to listen in to Stone and Lane-Fox discussing the background to the 'story' presentation. The director and the academic brought the historic dimension to the fore in such a way you couldn't do anything except acknowledge that a deep passion and love of the subject matter was the reason the film is there at all. Stone and Lane-Fox took pains to explain where liberties were taken so as to be able to package Alexander in fair compromise. I would hope he'd do the same on this movie, should it get made.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Despite all of the bitching and moaning done over Stone's Alexander, I'm enthralled that it was made. I still remember seeing it in the theaters. I love it, it's wild, inconsistent, and indulgent -- just like history! I'm curious to see Stone's new cut which just came to Blu Ray.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Of course this thread straddles the precipice of board rule lockdown, BUT...

... I hope people realize that warrantless surveillance is wrong, and that the basis for that is human right law - the integrity and sanctity of the individual.

I see a bandwagon here. The 'hate Oliver Stone' ride, and the main axle of that ride seems to be that he presents us with uncomfortable truths about the world in which we live, and the criminal bent of the people responsible for such.

And to be clear, this is not conjecture on Stone`s part, this is historical fact revealed to us by many people... people who were, have been, and are "there". Surely at the very **least** what he has to say is worthy of honest consideration.

Nothing to be afraid of there.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   gone   (Member)

The story (still unfinished) could merit an interesting movie, but not by Stone.

note : personal Snowden viewpoint withheld for forum etiquette

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2014 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Warrantless surveillance is wrong, but I can't see in the future how we are going to be table to really enforce it. I used to work at a company years ago where our jobs were to set up cameras to film the flow of traffic for the state of NEW YORK.The thousands of hours of footage we took of people who would have no idea they were being film. It was amazing what we saw. Mind you we were doing something legal. Now God knows what private firms do, and other questionable ventures. I remember a man knowledgeable of such matters tell me about 15 years ago. Once you leave your apartment in Manhattan, you are most of the time through the day on film somewhere. until you again enter a private home. Fascinating. I really figure in the world I live in , it is very possible someone is listening to my conversations on the phone. Maybe I can be a little cynical but that's what I feel, it does not bother me , have fun. Life is to short to worry about these things. There is very little privacy left for any of us

 
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