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 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

And we'd only have to come up with half of that on Kickstarter?


There's an assumption and a half!

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

1. It wasn't even half an assumption. It was a question. Did you not notice the punctuation at the end?

2. Even if I *had* put a period, it would be backed up by the fact that James *just* brought it up as something he really wanted to do, and earlier he specifically said that for things he really wanted to do he was prepared to foot half the bill as he did for King of Kings. But instead I didn't assume. I inquired.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 10:11 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Still no news from Tribute Film Classics? How disappointing.

Producing recordings between 2007 and 2012, Tribute has now been silent for roughly the same number of years. Their group silence of several years duration is apparently a deliberate and total abandonment of their former customers, which is hardly the best foundation for launching a future kickstarter campaign.


I may be too stupid – this is a joke, right?

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I did contact both John Morgan (December 31st) and William Stromberg (January 5th)...
Neither of them seems to have read the message.

Maybe someone else can try contacting them either through TFC website or TFC FB page if they are still working....


Both are working and a number of posters have posted on their page since the end of the Kickstarter campaign and so far there has been silence.

It’s been little more than a week since the end of Tadlow’s successful Kickstarter campaign so I think TFC will require rather more time to consider whether they would also want to pursue the crowdfunding approach.

As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, Tribute Film Classics in April 2017 floated the idea of doing another re-recording. So they've had an idea since April and yet there's been no update whatsoever. Also Tadlow's previous Kickstarter campaign for Moonraker was successful in terms of funding, which would have provided evidence that the model could work for Tribute Film Classics. Of course visiting the recording sessions in Moscow would be a little bit more difficult than in Prague...

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Of course visiting the recording sessions in Moscow would be a little bit more difficult than in Prague...

Certainly a lot more expensive! And, unless I imagined it, didn’t William Stromberg (or John Morgan) say not so long ago that recording in Moscow was now prohibitively expensive?



 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Xalandar   (Member)

I m really glad to see i m not the only one dying to hear a full complete re-recording for ON DANGEROUS GROUND, my most beloved Herrmann score! I d certainly contribute a lot to it!

Devil and Daniel Webster would be great too... and i m still hoping a label to put out a complete THE BRIDE WORE BLACK...

Fingers crossed for at least one of those in 2018 smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

And we'd only have to come up with half of that on Kickstarter? Totally doable! Maybe could even reach some of the classical crowd...

Yavar


This is the most important point that seems to be overlooked in excitement.

You should never assume that James, TFC, or anyone else is willing to bankroll 50% of a project. Why? There's no guarantee that that 50% will ever be recouped.

That's a lot of cash to burn that you might not ever get back. If it was a matter of not having enough financing, then TFC or Tadlow could just produce smaller scale works that cost 50% or less. They aren't doing that. There's a reason for that.

The financing isn't the problem. The problem is the sales. If James doesn't get the sales he needs on the back end, I highly doubt he's going to be doing any more 50% kickstarters unless he just likes writing large checks to have recordings in his personal collection.

I don't think you can call King of Kings a "successful campaign" until James sees the sales that he gets which is over a year from now. And even then, no guarantee that some other title, especially an obscure one, would be able to duplicate it.

Like some have mentioned, attending a Prague recording session is a once in a life time opportunity. Maybe other people would take him up on that for the next title, but maybe they wouldn't.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

I'd also recommend to Yavar or anyone else -


If you're so confident that your specific project is a no brainer- why don't you contact James privately and get an estimate for the costs to produce the project, add some wiggle room for your target funding and run your own campaign. Then you can do all the heavy lifting of getting the blessing from the estate of the composer and whoever owns the rights to the compositions, promoting the campaign to raise the funds.

If someone is willing to do all that, I don't know why James wouldn't take your $$$, stamp his logo on it and distribute it for you.

Didn't the Silva Screen recordings for Lion In Winter, The Last Valley and Robin and Marian happen specifically because a fan put up a ton of cash for them?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)

I'd also recommend to Yavar or anyone else -


If you're so confident that your specific project is a no brainer- why don't you contact James privately and get an estimate for the costs to produce the project, add some wiggle room for your target funding and run your own campaign. Then you can do all the heavy lifting of getting the blessing from the estate of the composer and whoever owns the rights to the compositions, promoting the campaign to raise the funds.

If someone is willing to do all that, I don't know why James wouldn't take your $$$, stamp his logo on it and distribute it for you.

Didn't the Silva Screen recordings for Lion In Winter, The Last Valley and Robin and Marian happen specifically because a fan put up a ton of cash for them?


Only Robin happened because of Geoff Leonard...all the other Barry recordings for Silva happened because I wanted to do them...but Silva packed them all. ... well it was partly my company!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)


Only Robin happened because of Geoff Leonard...all the other Barry recordings for Silva happened because I wanted to do them...but Silva packed them all. ... well it was partly my company!


Thanks for clarifying. And since that's the case, I'm assuming that Geoff Leonard didn't feel inclined to fund any subsequent recordings?

I think the fact that Silva no longer wishes to bankroll these types of things also says something about the financial viability of them.....and you would think they have a competitive advantage over independent labels.

I'm excited to hear King of Kings - and I don't mind paying the $40 instead of the $30 or whatever it is - but in my opinion, it's naive to think that just because one project got 50% funded on Kickstarter that it will somehow begin a trend of several crowdfunded recordings.

Especially wth the Moonraker type risks where you could obtain the funding but then still be told no.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)


Only Robin happened because of Geoff Leonard...all the other Barry recordings for Silva happened because I wanted to do them...but Silva packed them all. ... well it was partly my company!


Thanks for clarifying. And since that's the case, I'm assuming that Geoff Leonard didn't feel inclined to fund any subsequent recordings?

I think the fact that Silva no longer wishes to bankroll these types of things also says something about the financial viability of them.....and you would think they have a competitive advantage over independent labels.

I'm excited to hear King of Kings - and I don't mind paying the $40 instead of the $30 or whatever it is - but in my opinion, it's naive to think that just because one project got 50% funded on Kickstarter that it will somehow begin a trend of several crowdfunded recordings.

Especially wth the Moonraker type risks where you could obtain the funding but then still be told no.


I am certainly willing to contribute 50% of the budget to scores I love and want to record. But, as I have too numerous time to mention, if someone wants to give me all the dosh to record one of their favourite scores I most certainly will do so like a shot! Not everything I recorded for Prometheus were particular favourites...but they became so as I was recording them...being very professional about all I do.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



I'm excited to hear King of Kings - and I don't mind paying the $40 instead of the $30 or whatever it is - but in my opinion, it's naive to think that just because one project got 50% funded on Kickstarter that it will somehow begin a trend of several crowdfunded recordings.


That's exactly what I believe. Fact is, fewer released recordings than ever make any money. That's not limited to film scores, the market for new classical recordings is pretty much dried up, too (there is a reason why most of the currently released classical orchestral albums are live albums). Rock, pop, hip-hop etc. still make some dough with streaming, but a lot less than they did, say, 15 years ago with CD sales.
And I don't see how that trend is going to be changed by kickstarter. Why would all of a sudden more people pay for recordings done sometime in the future than they would for recordings already produced?

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)


I am certainly willing to contribute 50% of the budget to scores I love and want to record.


So, please tell me James... do you love and want to record "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS".... ? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

If it was me, I'd wait until someone's booked-and-paid-for three-day recording session was finished in just two days... and then use the already paid-for third day for whatever I wanted to record... like, say, a score re-recording.
I recall being involved with the art direction when a major car company booked a weeklong studio photoshoot in Dusseldorf for their auto accessories. The work was completed in three-and-a-half days, but the studio and photographer were still booked and paid for. So we used the bonus time to shoot some other, unassociated self-promotional projects for the agency, more or less for free, at the car company's expense. If the car people didn't want to use up all their booked and paid-for time, that's up to them. It doesn't mean everyone else needs to sit around twiddling their thumbs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

there is a reason why most of the currently released classical orchestral albums are live albums

Er.....this isn't true at all. I can't even think of any I've bought recently that are (well except one which has, like three tracks of twenty).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Brianmcb   (Member)

I presume there has been no communication established with Tribute Film Classics?

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2018 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I presume there has been no communication established with Tribute Film Classics?

Still nothing?

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2018 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I presume there has been no communication established with Tribute Film Classics?

Still nothing?


And again still nothing?

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2018 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Ed Lachmann   (Member)

Wow, so little love here for Max Steiner's wonderful "Helen of Troy"? It has only ever been available as a not-so-great bootleg and a selection of cues in the Bernstein Filmmusic Collection. Since Tribute always did Steiner proud, this seems like a viable choice to recommend. It has gorgeous romantic themes, rousing battle sequences and that wonderful "Bacchanal", quite a bit of variety to say the least. I'd imagine great fun to record, too. Just a thought. Also, Victor Young's "The Conqueror", which has NEVER seen the light of day would be wonderful. I love hearing it in the German blu-ray and have to wonder why it remains so obscure. When a score is already available, often in several various recordings, why not try something nobody's really done?

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2018 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Until there is some interest to really go back and do some more recordings any discussion of possible titles is kind of pointless... has anyone actually ever heard anything back from anyone related to TFC?

 
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