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 Posted:   Sep 15, 2017 - 7:26 PM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

If they used the real Voyager craft they'd have had to pay a licensing fee to NASA. Read that someplace.

I doubt that. NASA is funded with taxpayer dollars. They could no more charge a licensing fee than hide any of the data they've collected.

But it wouldn't make any sense from a technical standpoint. By the 23rd century, Voyagers 1 and 2 would still be on Sol's doorstep. Anything as mighty as the "other" space probe or intelligence that ran into one of the real Voyagers couldn't miss the nearby Earth. The story required V'ger to come from the unexplored depths of space. Assuming we're talking about the original "Changeling" story, the real Voyagers were hardly advanced learning machines. They were marginally bright toasters.

(I can't remember if the Voyager 6 in TMP was semi-intelligent, like the TOS Nomad probe. And I'm not going to watch the movie again to find out—watching it is just too painful.)

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2017 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think Rory is correct. Nasa information falls under public domain, (because it's taxed funded) but you can't use it for profiteering purposes without a license.

Regarding Voyager 6 in TMP, the probe fell into the gravity well of a "machine planet", seeing it as one of their own, they built the entire Voyager vessel so it could complete it's mission. Gain as much knowledge about the universe it could. Aided by the alien technology, it amassed so much information on the way home, it became a conscious thing.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2017 - 12:08 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Yeah, it's the same thing with the original PLANET OF THE APES movies. The astronauts wear uniforms with patches that have ASNA instead of NASA on them. It's only because the producers didn't want to pay to license the NASA logo.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2017 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Yeah, it's the same thing with the original PLANET OF THE APES movies. The astronauts wear uniforms with patches that have ASNA instead of NASA on them. It's only because the producers didn't want to pay to license the NASA logo.

It was ANSA. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2017 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

I've found the legal documentation concerning the use of NASA logos and associated mission icons, but I doubt anyone would have gotten ruffled even if V'ger had been Voyager 1 or 2—so long as no logos were shown.

(The NASA site also includes material on the licensing of NASA technology and IP.)

The V'ger mockup certainly looked like Voyager 1 and 2, which again makes no sense, as per the technical problems I described above. There are times when trying to dovetail fiction with reality just to pique the audience isn't viable.

Gerry Anderson's UFO features a Saturn V third stage in Earth orbit in "Conflict." There are no NASA or mission logos visible, and the space junk pilots even identify the item as a relic of Apollo 8, 1968. Of course, if the scriptwriter had done even a little research, he'd know that the Apollo 8 S-IVB made TLI and would not be in Earth orbit.

The TMP writers should have invented an entirely fictional probe with advanced propulsion to make the story just a little more credible.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2017 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Yeah, it's the same thing with the original PLANET OF THE APES movies. The astronauts wear uniforms with patches that have ASNA instead of NASA on them. It's only because the producers didn't want to pay to license the NASA logo.

It was ANSA. smile


D'oh!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2017 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Remember that great US sitcom, Son Of The Beach, set in Miami. In one episode they had the Miami space program (M.A.S.A.) send up a black astronaut, & of course his communications back to Earth were, yes masa, over & out masa. Well I thought it was funny smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2017 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yeah, it's the same thing with the original PLANET OF THE APES movies. The astronauts wear uniforms with patches that have ASNA instead of NASA on them. It's only because the producers didn't want to pay to license the NASA logo.

It was ANSA. smile


More importantly, they didnt want to ruffle any feathers over at Warner by using ACME.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2017 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Remember that great US sitcom, Son Of The Beach, set in Miami. In one episode they had the Miami space program (M.A.S.A.) send up a black astronaut, & of course his communications back to Earth were, yes masa, over & out masa. Well I thought it was funny smile

Oh, that's not funny. No. No. No. That's about as funny as "you-know-who."

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2017 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I recently watched Dragonslayer. The film is a mixed bag or awesomeness and terrible. What exactly happened to Galen when the dragon cornered him in the cave? Assuming for the sake of fantasy, he wasn't toasted alive by the heat of the dragon's breath, and his shield repelled the flames, the next shot has Galen laying unconscious outside on a rocky cliff side. Did the Dragon "let him go" to show the villagers he's unbeatable? That's a huge stretch since Galen just killed her young-lings. I'm sure this question has been asked over the years.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2017 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I recently watched Dragonslayer. The film is a mixed bag or awesomeness and terrible. What exactly happened to Galen when the dragon cornered him in the cave? Assuming for the sake of fantasy, he wasn't toasted alive by the heat of the dragon's breath, and his shield repelled the flames, the next shot has Galen laying unconscious outside on a rocky cliff side. Did the Dragon "let him go" to show the villagers he's unbeatable? That's a huge stretch since Galen just killed her young-lings. I'm sure this question has been asked over the years.

Since when is "Dragonslayer" science fiction?

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2017 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I recently watched Dragonslayer. The film is a mixed bag or awesomeness and terrible. What exactly happened to Galen when the dragon cornered him in the cave? Assuming for the sake of fantasy, he wasn't toasted alive by the heat of the dragon's breath, and his shield repelled the flames, the next shot has Galen laying unconscious outside on a rocky cliff side. Did the Dragon "let him go" to show the villagers he's unbeatable? That's a huge stretch since Galen just killed her young-lings. I'm sure this question has been asked over the years.

Since when is "Dragonslayer" science fiction?



 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2017 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Was Jar Jar really "the key to all this"? If so, why? (not counting "because he's a funnier[sic] character than we've had ever had in any of the movies before.")



EDIT: Question answered...yikes! However, the "funnier" aspect makes no sense since Jar Jar is obviously chillingly evil.

"Later, on the behalf of the Naboo, he gives a speech to the assembled Senate in favor of granting Chancellor Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) vast emergency powers. These are granted, giving Palpatine the power he needs to subsequently overthrow the senate and bring the galaxy into the dictatorial control of the Sith's Galactic Empire."

This begs the question: So who puts blaster fire through Jar Jar and kills him?

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2018 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Was the Moon Base turbo lift in Space 1999 a real thing or a miniature?

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2018 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

This begs the question: So who puts blaster fire through Jar Jar and kills him?

Excellent observation and one I've never heard! Jim, I hope you don't mind, I know I'm constantly appropriating your great comments, but I'd like to take your question to the next level.
Instead of a blaster, who gets to use a lightdagger (up close and personal, so you can see it in his eyes; sticking it in just below the navel, ripping upward to the solar plexus) to disembowel Jar Jar?

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2018 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

Was the Moon Base turbo lift in Space 1999 a real thing or a miniature?

Short answer: miniature.
http://catacombs.space1999.net/main/models/w2mtraveltube.html

I don't recall seeing any elevators in Moonbase Alpha, with the exception of the launch pads. So I assume you are referring to the "travel unit" tubes. These travel units suffer the same reality check as the Eagles themselves, or the Jupiter 2 from Lost in Space. That is, the external dimensions and proportions cannot be made to dovetail with the interiors seen on-screen.

The exterior end-caps of the travel unit show very distinctive door detail, yet the interior set does not have any doors there. The set shows a door in the middle of the longer "side" of the unit which the miniature does not have. In fact, if those end doors slide open, as all other doors on Alpha, then there is no "pocket space" within the design for them to retract into.

Lastly, the proportions of the cylinder would make a very pronounced curve to the door when "docked." Although the set builders gave the interior credibly thick walls, they do not show the needed geometry. The door frame on the unit and hallway show straight verticals.

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2018 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Was the Moon Base turbo lift in Space 1999 a real thing or a miniature?

Short answer: miniature.
http://catacombs.space1999.net/main/models/w2mtraveltube.html

I don't recall seeing any elevators in Moonbase Alpha, with the exception of the launch pads. So I assume you are referring to the "travel unit" tubes. These travel units suffer the same reality check as the Eagles themselves, or the Jupiter 2 from Lost in Space. That is, the external dimensions and proportions cannot be made to dovetail with the interiors seen on-screen.

The exterior end-caps of the travel unit show very distinctive door detail, yet the interior set does not have any doors there. The set shows a door in the middle of the longer "side" of the unit which the miniature does not have. In fact, if those end doors slide open, as all other doors on Alpha, then there is no "pocket space" within the design for them to retract into.

Lastly, the proportions of the cylinder would make a very pronounced curve to the door when "docked." Although the set builders gave the interior credibly thick walls, they do not show the needed geometry. The door frame on the unit and hallway show straight verticals.


Yes, I meant the "travel unit" tubes. And awesome thanks! The miniature work is amazing. It really looks like a real thing, even to this day.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2020 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

"Crossing the T" in a Space Battle

Those familiar with naval history will know that in the past, “Crossing the T” was considered the ultimate accomplishment in surface warfare (ship-to ship only). It involved lining one’s own ship(s) 90 degrees horizontally to the enemy’s. This would allow maximum firepower to be brought to bear against the enemy’s ship(s), while minimizing their firepower. It was actually accomplished several times (Tsushima, Jutland, Cape Esperance, Surigao Strait).

What then would be the equivalent in a space battle? Essentially, another dimension, if you will, is added when it comes to outer space. Any thoughts?

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2020 - 5:20 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Crossing the T when ships only had guns at the side...worked.
Not the best tactic against forward-facing weapons!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2020 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Crossing the T when ships only had guns at the side...worked.
Not the best tactic against forward-facing weapons!!

smile
Point well taken, since with the advent of gun turrets that were able to rotate it might have diminished the tactic somewhat, but remember, Cape Esperance and Surigao did happen in WWII, so there was still the possibility.
Even with rotating turrets, if the enemy's ships are in a straight line, it does minimize their ability to train all their guns, with the angle of fire increasing and lessening the effectiveness of ships that are farther away from the front of the line.
Yet, the T top, if you will can use virtually all of their guns (image from Wiki):

 
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