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 Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Another thing that really really pissed me off about Jedi was Boba Fett.

Having set him up as an incredibly cool character in ESB, Lucas turns him into a buffoon in ROTJ's sail barge sequence. After first suffering a Frank Spencer-esque misfire of his jet pack he then suffers the ultimate ignominy of dying in the giant sand anus (and screaming in a very girly way as it happens, too).

Interestingly, Lucas seemed to have the same lack of respect when it came to Jango Fett in AOTC. Supposed to be an uber-cool, efficient killing machine and bounty hunter, Jango actually comes across as a bit of a slapstick character and his death in particular is almost as laughably bad as Boba's is (albeit fortunately without any sand anuses this time).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I'm amazed at all the citations of Vader's big revelation in Star Wars - Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back in this thread. Most people who enjoy any of this series at all seem to regard that as a moment that elevated the series to something even greater. But then, this is FSM...

For all the problems of the live-action prequels, I'm not sure the series actually has jumped the shark yet. For me, the prequel era is redeemed by Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Though uneven, on the whole it's really good - better than the prequel trilogy, and frequently approaching the original. It's odd because it encompasses such a variety of tones, and ranges from juvenilia to sober maturity.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

"Frank Spencer-esque"...
Heh-heh.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

Another thing that really really pissed me off about Jedi was Boba Fett.

Having set him up as an incredibly cool character in ESB, Lucas turns him into a buffoon in ROTJ's sail barge sequence. After first suffering a Frank Spencer-esque misfire of his jet pack he then suffers the ultimate ignominy of dying in the giant sand anus (and screaming in a very girly way as it happens, too).

Interestingly, Lucas seemed to have the same lack of respect when it came to Jango Fett in AOTC. Supposed to be an uber-cool, efficient killing machine and bounty hunter, Jango actually comes across as a bit of a slapstick character and his death in particular is almost as laughably bad as Boba's is (albeit fortunately without any sand anuses this time).


Yeah, after Jango gets his head handed to him, his son Boba picks it up and stares at it. I would have given my left arm if Lucas would've let Jango's head drop out of that helmet.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

I'm amazed at all the citations of Vader's big revelation in Star Wars - Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back in this thread. Most people who enjoy any of this series at all seem to regard that as a moment that elevated the series to something even greater. But then, this is FSM...

For all the problems of the live-action prequels, I'm not sure the series actually has jumped the shark yet. For me, the prequel era is redeemed by Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Though uneven, on the whole it's really good - better than the prequel trilogy, and frequently approaching the original. It's odd because it encompasses such a variety of tones, and ranges from juvenilia to sober maturity.


I agree on your assessment that Darth telling Luke he was his father was the great gasp moment of the series. But he really didn't know what to do with it after that. He basically defanged quite possibly the greatest villain of all time by really making him his father. But it's his story, not mine.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm amazed at all the citations of Vader's big revelation in Star Wars - Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back in this thread. Most people who enjoy any of this series at all seem to regard that as a moment that elevated the series to something even greater. But then, this is FSM...

For all the problems of the live-action prequels, I'm not sure the series actually has jumped the shark yet. For me, the prequel era is redeemed by Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Though uneven, on the whole it's really good - better than the prequel trilogy, and frequently approaching the original. It's odd because it encompasses such a variety of tones, and ranges from juvenilia to sober maturity.


I agree on your assessment that Darth telling Luke he was his father was the great gasp moment of the series. But he really didn't know what to do with it after that. He basically defanged quite possibly the greatest villain of all time by really making him his father. But it's his story, not mine.


The reveal in the film was well presented and executed. Certainly one of the biggest dramatic moments in popular film history. But once it was over I realized how ridiculous it was. Before Jedi I was hoping we find out Darth was messing with Luke's head. That would have made Darth even more intellectually twisted. But Lucas was serious about the revaluation, and it wasn't a ruse unfortunately.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

The are a ton of things wrong with Jedi for sure in addition to the aforementioned: Darths actual death ( I mean, after the electroshock treatment that Luke got at the gnarled hands of the emperor, Darth got a mild buzz compared to that and he still croaked shortly thereafter) ,


I don't see any problem with that.

Luke is young and strong, whereas Darth Vader is revealed to be old, has suffered previous injuries, and presumably the electroshock treatment messed with the electrics and breathing aparatus in his costume.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2015 - 2:55 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I knew from the very beginning of Jedi I wasn't going to like that film. It was groan inducing and never let up after that point.

But the reason I picked Darth building 3PO is because it is neither conceivable or at all relevant to the Star Wars saga. As groan inducing as the Skywalker family dynastic's are, it's at least conceivable, and it was relevant to the story Lucas wanted to tell. Young Darth building the droid that we are introduced too in the beginning of A New Hope, then soon after falls into the hands of Luke is just WTF material when you consider there has to be a million droids in the universe. (And just the concept of Darth building 3PO is ludicrous.)


Agree. Absolutely. What I hated most about the prequel trilogy wasn't Jar Jar Binks, it wasn't the endless talks about politics (I actually liked those)... what I disliked was the complete disregard of the events in the earlier (though chronologically later) movies. Vader building C3PO was perhaps the worst of these offenses.

At the beginning of STAR WARS, R2D2 and C3PO were two droids who were accidentally all of a sudden caught up in the rebellion. I know they are two of the most iconic characters of STAR WARS and everyone (me included) loves them, but they had NO business to be there in the prequel trilogy. And if you HAD to have them in there, by all means make it a cameo appearance. But they were far too much involved in all the proceedings. And then, later, no one recognizes them anymore? Not Owen Lars? Not Obi Wan? WTF.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2015 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Remember Obi-Wan saying in Star Wars, "I don't remember owning any droids". So great, Han was right, he was senile the whole time!

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2015 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I knew from the very beginning of Jedi I wasn't going to like that film. It was groan inducing and never let up after that point.
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YES! As soon as i read the scrawl - the Empire is building another Death Star? Really George t'is all you could come up with?!!!!

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2015 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

YES! As soon as i read the scrawl - the Empire is building another Death Star? Really George t'is all you could come up with?!!!!


Quite right.
Maybe if Georgie had wracked his brainpan a bit more he might have come up with something more original and insiduous--like some new type of biological virus.

Just picture it, a variety of Windex that kills pesky midichlorians dead on contact.
Oh wait. That's right. They DIDN'T FLIPPIN' EXIST YET!

Georgie, Georgie...
roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2015 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

When we realized that the name of the fat x-wing pilot was Porkins... that should have told us what kind of comedy lay ahead...

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Star Wars is "string theory" for absolute beginners where candy-floss binds everything together and the entire universe is made of fundamental popcorn. All the characters have avatars made of plastic, or is it the other way round?

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

When did Star Wars Jump the Shark? Well I agree with most of what has already been posted as far as stuff in the film series goes, but I would add that it Jumped the Shark whenever anyone believed there was anything of substance in these movies to begin with. Don't get me wrong, it was *tremendous* fun having had the original Star Wars trilogy during my childhood, but Star Wars truly Jumped the Shark when I was "suddenly" in my 40s and so many of my generation still worshiped that stuff as if it were anything but a delightful, substance-free diversion. I enjoy many "childhood-era" interests, like comic books and the original Star Trek series, but even those things have more "meat" to them than George Lucas' Commercial Monster.

John S. Walsh expressed my own feelings on this matter perfectly in the "People vs. George Lucas" thread:

"George Lucas keeps saying these are basically children`s movies, and you know who I`ve never heard bitching about these movies? Children, their intended audience. You know who can never STFU about what Lucas does to his own creations? Chronologically-adult males who should have learned long ago that these are entertainments for summer movie nights when they were kids, and maybe occassional revisits over the years, after they have grown up and moved on from childish junkfood diets of escapism and moved on to literature, higher forms of film art, and music, and realistic adult interactions with the world and entertainment products. if my dad ever went on and on because they were colorizing a Flash Gordon short or something, my mom would have had him committed. Nowadays, someone who treats this stuff as the kids`s stuff it is is considered heartless; in the past they`d be considered an ordinary adult of average maturity who has a grip on reality."

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=89333&forumID=7&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Hell yeah. Grown ups paint their faces, get drunk in a parking lot and go to football games.

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I have the feeling that 99% of Star Wars fans will eat up and accept anything Star Wars related and eventually learn to "like" it, no matter how bad it gets.

One of my favorite new phrases of backhanded praise is: "The Force Awakens is better than the prequels!" Well what ISN'T?!? big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I have the feeling that 99% of Star Wars fans will eat up and accept anything Star Wars related and eventually learn to "like" it, no matter how bad it gets.
One of my favorite new phrases of backhanded praise is: "The Force Awakens is better than the prequels!" Well what ISN'T?!? big grin



You're pretty much on the mark with that one.
I tend to think it's the law of diminishing returns that comes into play here.
For example, after the initial adrenaline rush of "The Force Awakens" winds down, people will start to think,
"Hmm, 'The Phantom Menace' wasn't really that bad after all.".
big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Yes, The Phantom Menace is great! Well, except for Jake Lloyd, Jar Jar Binks, that interminable pod race, wooden acting from all concerned, and the fact that the guy in the theater sitting in front of me wearing the baseball cap turned around about a dozen times because his girlfriend had walked out to drop some ammonia just seconds before the big "Duel of the Fates" cue started up in the "big" lightsaber fight between Neeson, Ewan, and Darth Maul. Even (the promise of) that scene was awful thanks to that dope.

I never bothered with the other two films. I did, however, see a brief bit on TV once where Yoda was speaking in the passive voice while giving orders. It must have been the second movie.

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

... because his girlfriend had walked out to drop some ammonia just seconds before the big "Duel of the Fates".


Oh crap that made me laugh out loud!

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2015 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

YES! As soon as i read the scrawl - the Empire is building another Death Star? Really George t'is all you could come up with?!!!!


Quite right.
Maybe if Georgie had wracked his brainpan a bit more he might have come up with something more original ...
Georgie, Georgie...
roll eyes


OMG!
just read the EW review of the film and .......
the plot includes another DEATH STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????????????


no!
no!
no!
brm

 
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